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stevenharms t1_jdbo7bn wrote

Can’t wait to see one parked in the bike lane!

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Sum1LightUp t1_jdbpg9g wrote

I thought the NYPD is broke?

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Dutch1206 t1_jdc0pre wrote

We’re cutting $36m from the libraries. Don’t worry.

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Daddy_Macron t1_jdcppbb wrote

These are probably money savers in the long-run. Less maintenance and way less energy wasted when idling which is 90% of a cop's day. When I idled for an hour in an EV with the AC blasting, it used up less than 2% of the battery. Doing it in a gas car would have used up 0.5-1 gallon of gas.

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RProgrammerMan t1_jde34g9 wrote

Interesting, maybe ev makes sense for their use case. Plus acceleration!

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Rottimer t1_jdcwupm wrote

Depends on how much down time the vehicle needs to charge and how much max charge it will lose each year.

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Daddy_Macron t1_jdcybhj wrote

Battery degradation isn't that big an issue since EV battery packs aren't like your phone battery and have active battery management systems to keep batteries at the optimal temperature and current. (Except the Nissan Leaf. Those EV's have issues with battery longevity.) Just about all major EV manufacturers offer 8 year, 100,000 mile battery warranties for a reason.

Most cop cars are just sitting still for basically the whole day and they're not in use 24/7/365. Incorporating slow charging into them sitting at a corner for half a day would be a breeze. This city is already building out curbside chargers. My neck of the woods got 3 stations with 6 charging cables and the cops in the neighborhood can just change where they idle their car by a block or two if they need a charge.

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jddh1 t1_jdj6eaz wrote

Dunkin looking at the EV charging spots to plan future store locations.

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kinky_boots t1_jdoeogo wrote

Ha, they’re well situated in front of subway stops

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Grass8989 t1_jdcgs5g wrote

The police should still be using their vehicles from the 80s!

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Die-Nacht t1_jdciv2i wrote

Don't worry, this only costs 2 year of funding from a school.

Don't you feel safer already?

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Grass8989 t1_jdclbn8 wrote

DoE budget: $40 billion (highest ever) despite a 10% enrollment decline since 2019.

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clientsoup t1_jdco4l5 wrote

Should be even higher!

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Grass8989 t1_jdcqa6b wrote

Okay, let’s not pretend schools are “defunded” tho, which seems to constantly be pushed on here.

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-_SophiaPetrillo_- t1_jdd6klh wrote

Just because the DOE has a higher budget, doesn’t mean the schools are seeing that money.

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Grass8989 t1_jdd8cd2 wrote

So we should be talking about allocating the money properly, if that’s the case.

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-_SophiaPetrillo_- t1_jdd8vsu wrote

Correct. But the schools are defunded. So please don’t pretend like they aren’t. Unless the money gets to the actual schools, they don’t have it.

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Daddy_Macron t1_jdcqxhk wrote

At a certain point we should actually try to get our money's worth because it seems like the DOE does a terrible job of actually producing results, especially the Administrative staff that is just bloated at this point.

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mojogogo123 t1_jdd5eur wrote

So should the test results with that kind of funding

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SnooDingos1760 t1_jdbes6b wrote

Ngl,this looks cool

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iliveoffofbagels t1_jdbl5ad wrote

probably the only thing wrong with it is the awkwardly painted side skirt area below the doors. In this picture, depending on your screen settings, it kinda just looks like someone kicked and crumpled a bit of the car lol.

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Draymond_Purple t1_jdcxu9y wrote

It also makes a ton of sense for fleet vehicles to be electric - they always go back to the same parking lot/yard.

Why municipal fleet vehicles weren't some of the first vehicles to go electric has always been confusing to me

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oldtrenzalore t1_jdcrifr wrote

Police livery on a cool-looking car (it even has red calipers!). Reminds me of how German soldiers in the 1930's wore uniforms manufactured by Hugo Boss.

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FLHCv2 t1_jdcnn73 wrote

NYPD POLICE

NEW YORK POLICE DEPARTMENT POLICE

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Edwunclerthe3rd t1_jdcqbjn wrote

Don't forget the city part -New York City Police Department police. Alternatively, City of New York Police Department police. Just wait until they have a unit specifically for city affairs: City of New York Police Department city police. Or, when that goes wrong and those officers have to be investigated: City of New York Police Department city police police

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Ok-Concentrate-9316 t1_jdbdunu wrote

Is the money from tax payers? $2.75 death subway ride?

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drpvn t1_jdbjshh wrote

No it’s from a bake sale.

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Sickpup831 t1_jdbk00o wrote

Wouldn’t rolling these out save money on gasoline? Honestly asking.

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soonerfreak t1_jdera5j wrote

That and helping the environment. I'd support all PDs converting to full EV fleets, they are the perfect targets for that.

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Chaosadhd t1_jdc6q6r wrote

Maybe, we’re already footing the bill for a public service that doesn’t benefit the public.

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yeezusbro t1_jdcb9td wrote

Am I crazy or are there No door handles?

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Dutch1206 t1_jdcgtih wrote

Door handles aren’t in the budget. Might have to layoff teachers for those.

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JRsshirt t1_jddz770 wrote

Good. Sick of those whiners always asking for more money.

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Interesting-Mud7499 t1_jdhz4vk wrote

The DOEs budget is like $40billion. NYPDs around $5billion. So yea, they probably should.

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Dutch1206 t1_jdih68b wrote

There's a return on investment for a population that has higher levels of education and it also, in theory, should reduce crime. So it makes sense that the budget for education is larger than the NYPD. That's not to say that the education budget isn't bloated, but I'd prefer a larger proportion of my tax dollars being used to educate the populace rather than police it.

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Interesting-Mud7499 t1_jdiibzm wrote

Not doubting that. But consider the fact that DOE funding is at an all time high with more than a 10% drop in enrollment. Academic performance citywide is also something that should be examined. DOE is full of its own issues.

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Dutch1206 t1_jdij73h wrote

100% agree there. They certainly need to be held accountable. And no doubt there's so much waste due to bureaucracy.

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sleepless______ t1_jdi1i6i wrote

Not saying the DOE is good with its money for a second (though nor is the NYPD) but if we end up in a world where we spend more on police than on schools we’ll be in a deeply depressing place.

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Recurringferry t1_jdcxqsm wrote

There's a tiny button on the side of each door, you push it and the door pops open a tiny bit, and then you just pull it open the rest of the way.

Source: I own one

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randyzmzzzz t1_jdddgy4 wrote

Door handles sounds much more easier to use..

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Recurringferry t1_jddskmr wrote

They didn't change the design to be easier to use. They changed it to improve aerodynamic drag (less drag = less power needed = more battery range).

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sleepless______ t1_jdi17p4 wrote

Always kind of makes me laugh when car manufacturers make trade offs like this. I know the Mustang is supposed to be fast but it’s not a fucking formula one car.

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sad0panda t1_jdhqw0e wrote

Can you open the doors with the fob or do you have to press the little button every time?

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smooth_rubber_001 t1_jdbch4z wrote

Saw one passing by Chinatown 8th Ave… was so jelly of the cops driving it. I want one badly! Lol

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shant_jan t1_jdcodnd wrote

the parks department has one too. im guessing that Ford is practically giving them away to establish the brand in people's minds.

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RamWarr t1_jdchcap wrote

I wanna see the police in Flintstone cars.

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augsav t1_jdchg4w wrote

I saw a black one of this using it’s sirens the other day. I guess they have a whole fleet. They also have (at least) one unmarked Maserati.

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specialcommenter t1_jdd6pi3 wrote

Whoever’s Maserati you saw was a Hatzolah ambulance service for Jewish people. Those guys get official sirens and lights for any car to serve religious Jewish patients. The cars belong to the doctors.

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augsav t1_jddcluk wrote

It had an NYPD badge on the windshield

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salpn t1_jddi45u wrote

We'd be better off in terms of making NYC safer if those were electric bicycles rather than electric cars.

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PorchHonky t1_jdfeg2b wrote

Cool! Those will be really comfy to sit in and watch 800 motorcycles race down broadway on a sunny day!

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Interesting-Mud7499 t1_jdhzgol wrote

Why should they do anything? They'll just be called racist and sued for excessive force.

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sleepless______ t1_jdi1vuk wrote

Sounds like they should just quit then, must be an awful job!

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Interesting-Mud7499 t1_jdi2sv5 wrote

See my point? Damned if they do or don't.

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sleepless______ t1_jdi43tx wrote

Not really, no. Your originally assertion that if they stop motorcycles racing down the street they’d be called racist is obviously nonsense.

But if your claim is that doing absolutely any enforcement means you’ll get attacked as a racist then why wouldn’t everyone just quit? Seems like an awful job. And yet plenty are staying in their jobs.

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Interesting-Mud7499 t1_jdi6mr5 wrote

It's not nonsense if it's actually happened. Furthermore they're accused by those with a hand in the motorcycle/ATV groups as having nothing better to do when other violent crimes are happening across the city.

But guess what, people do actually quit. There is an attrition issue affecting the NYPD right now due to a myriad of factors; hostile climate being one of them. As cited on resignation interviews.

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woodcider t1_jdbkb7c wrote

But if they have to charge them they can’t park them on the sidewalk. Whatever will we do?

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phuz t1_jdcvdai wrote

I saw a model 3 one a few months ago. Aren’t they still in the testing phase of using ev.

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wikipuff t1_jdfaitv wrote

God I hate what they have done to the Mustang.

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PurpleGoatNYC t1_jdflfyt wrote

I despise the NYPD, but a tiny bit good on them for buying all electrics and hybrids. It’s one of the very rare good things they do.

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oy_says_ake t1_jdcyz2k wrote

When we do buy cop cars, they should 100% be electric.

That said, we should stop replacing them so fast. Currently we replace them every 3 years! Make that 7 at least.

Edit: A way higher % of officers should be walking beats instead of driving anyways.

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Grass8989 t1_jdd0dbz wrote

Are you an expert on police fleet management? These vehicles are run 24/7 365 days a year and get best to shit. I do agree that moving to EVs is the right move tho.

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oy_says_ake t1_jdd0w78 wrote

So we run them less and have the cops walk their beats more.

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BeckBristow89 t1_jden2w6 wrote

Then they’re gonna get mad and refuse to work. Waddya gonna do then?! Fire them? Lol

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wile_tex t1_jdg4o0q wrote

Saw one for the first time in sunset park the other day. Tried to talk to the cop about it, but he essentially told me to fuck off in so many words.

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Solid_Angel t1_jdbhczt wrote

I just don't understand the point of this specific car as a marked police vehicle.

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icrbact t1_jdc6x0b wrote

No local emissions in a dense urban area is a really big deal especially as these cars are running through most of the day (even when they are standing). I assume they chose the Ford because because that’s already their main supplier of police vehicles and will make service and maintenance a lot easier than getting them from another manufacturer.

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yasth t1_jdc389q wrote

Electric makes a lot of sense for a NYC police car, they often don't go 30 miles in shift, and they already are mostly using explorers which are about the same size.

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IAmGoingToSleepNow t1_jdcm4to wrote

Yup. Plus police spend a lot of time idling, where EVs excel. Very little battery use during that time instead of wasting fuel and engine wear. The other big gain is in stop and go traffic, the other place where police spend a fair amount of time.

Lower maintenance should end up costing less with less downtime and fewer cars out of service.

Everyone wants to hate, but if the cars need to be replaced, EV is the way to go. I bet it ends up costing less than buying new gas cars in the long run.

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actualtext t1_jdcc67d wrote

Ford Explorers are the same size as the Mach-E?

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Turbulent_Link1738 t1_jdcba9f wrote

Probably the best offering of electric from American companies that aren’t Tesla. Police vehicles tend to have this hang up that they have to be American made.

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Edwunclerthe3rd t1_jdcpwfr wrote

It's funny because a majority of the Traffic vehicles are/ were Toyotas

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King9WillReturn t1_jdcsgc4 wrote

Toyotas are produced in the USA.

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Turbulent_Link1738 t1_jdcvpt2 wrote

I’m referring to ford and Chevy and Dodge. Most NYC cop cars are either Tahoe/Suburbans or Impalas or Tauruses or Explorers or Durangos or Chargers. I’ve seen the odd Rav4 but they’re rare.

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Grass8989 t1_jdd1mcv wrote

Most NYC cop cars are Ford Explorers. Chevy doesn’t make the Impala anymore n

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MeGotShadowbanned t1_jddvxyc wrote

That's only because American companies - and especially Ford - mass produce special versions of their street cars for use as police cars.

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Edwunclerthe3rd t1_jdd1jtr wrote

I believe the Prius is Japanese

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King9WillReturn t1_jdd3au7 wrote

As of 2022 that is correct.

In the US:

Toyota Sienna (Princeton, Indiana)
Toyota Sequoia (Princeton, Indiana)
Toyota Highlander (Princeton, Indiana)
Toyota RAV4 Hybrid (Georgetown, Kentucky)
Toyota Camry (Georgetown, Kentucky)
Toyota Avalon (Georgetown, Kentucky)
Toyota Tacoma (San Antonio, Texas)
Toyota Tundra (San Antonio, Texas)
Toyota Corolla (Blue Springs, Mississippi)

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Solid_Angel t1_jdcc5i4 wrote

Thanks for your replies.

After a bit of quick research and some past reading, completely forgot I read about this a year ago, Ford no longer has a "sedan" segment.

So it makes sense, and of course NYPD are getting these cars at discounted rates, so pretty sure the $45k tag isn't what they are paying, feel free to correct if I'm wrong here.

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Swoah t1_jdcdbwf wrote

Government buying something? Yeah they’re probably paying more lol.

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NyteBladeV1 t1_jddc2lq wrote

It's all fun and games until someone unplugs them all

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Grass8989 t1_jddceoc wrote

Pretty sure if the vehicles locked they can’t be unplugged, and if not there’s adapters that would make that the case.

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jp_in_nj t1_jdcfffw wrote

Pretty enough, but what's the point in it when you can't get anywhere faster than 10 mph?

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King9WillReturn t1_jdcsw66 wrote

I've driven one. They go 0-60mph in 3.5 seconds. The slower ones go 0-60mph in 4.8 seconds. Their range is 250-300 miles before needing to be charged.

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jp_in_nj t1_jdd2o47 wrote

Sounds like an awful lot of fun to drive on an open road.

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York_Villain t1_jddisfb wrote

Defund

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Grass8989 t1_jddskmn wrote

Has proven to be widely unpopular outside of fringe groups, and the pushing of this narrative in 2020 probably directly helped elect a cop as Mayor of this city.

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York_Villain t1_jde3hj5 wrote

You would be right if it wasn't for the fact that you're wrong. Progressive "defund" politicians won their races in landslides and moderates lost seats.

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Grass8989 t1_jde5qlz wrote

See: the election of Eric Adams and Kathy Hochul. Progressives haven’t won in any state or citywide elections.

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York_Villain t1_jde8qdq wrote

Nobody has ever considered Adams or Hochul a progressive. WTF you talking about?

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Grass8989 t1_jde9j9j wrote

Right. Which is why I’m saying progressives HAVENT won in city or statewide elections.

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Bkgrouch t1_jddlpkr wrote

Lol is it self driving? You know so they can still be on the cell phone? 😆

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The_Lone_Apple t1_jde59de wrote

But let's cut $37M from the library budget.

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Grass8989 t1_jde6t68 wrote

Can you point specifically to where in the budget librarys were cut to pay for NYPD vehicles?

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The_Lone_Apple t1_jde7mkh wrote

I can point to where parts of the budget can be trimmed to prevent libraries from closing. We can start with fancy cars.

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Grass8989 t1_jde9oua wrote

Okay so you’re not an expert on police fleet management, and can’t point to where these were bought with money previously allocated to libraries.

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The_Lone_Apple t1_jdegeok wrote

Okay, so I said what I said and it stands. Billions for some while libraries close is not a good balance. Oh, if cops could start being more polite to the people who pay their salary it would be great too. Get on that.

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Interesting-Mud7499 t1_jdhzvsw wrote

The DOEs budget is $40billion, an alltime high despite -10% enrollment and lackluster performance. NYPDs is at $5 billion. Just say you hate cops.

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The_Lone_Apple t1_jdi5dp9 wrote

I'll just say that I support libraries - one of the things that has always made this city great.

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jddh1 t1_jdj7dgf wrote

Libraries are also getting electric vehicles for their fleet, relax.

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simpbizkit420 t1_jdckkma wrote

What a necessary thing that this city needed to spend it’s money on…

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Any_Foundation_9034 t1_jdc9gom wrote

Going to be fun watching one of these babies respond to a crime if there should be a critical failure msg after an OTA update. <<Those who know, know.

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huebomont t1_jdct496 wrote

Draining taxpayer money on toys.

Make them get the most boring uncool sedans imaginable. Make them wear goofy uniforms. Make them feel like the employees that they are, not some rogue army.

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Grass8989 t1_jdctr5j wrote

I’m glad you’re an expert on police fleets and replacement time lines! Do you know how much money they would save by not having a gas engine idling nearly 24/7 as many of these vehicles do?

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huebomont t1_jdd1lmm wrote

Less than they would by not replacing a car, purchasing a less flashy model, or maybe not IDLING THEIR ENGINES 24/7(?!)!) lol. Their fleet is huge and part of the problem of why you never see cops actually walking a beat.

Nowhere did I mention that EVs are better than gas engines. Reddit loves a strawman!

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Die-Nacht t1_jdckzft wrote

Electric NYPD cars don't make much sense, this all just feels like greenwashing. If they get into a crash, you would need to scrap the entire car as the battery may be damaged. EVs are also more expensive than ICE cars.

We need the NYPD to move away from cars altogether and use smaller modes of mobility. Most police work isn't chasing down people on highways or transporting people, so why do they need so many large cars? Just give every department like 20 e-bikes for every car, only keep a couple of cars per precinct for people transport.

Not only would it increase police efficiency (no traffic restriction), but it would also open up the NYPD to be more empathetic and better at policing. Being in a protected, metal box leads to a disassociation from the surrounding space and people (you may as well be in a private house, not a public space). This has been shown to lead people to become less empathetic (this is also why perfectly normal people can sometimes become lunatics behind the wheel). We don't want police officers that don't feel part of the place they are patrolling, that's how you end up with afraid, trigger-happy officers.

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Grass8989 t1_jdclm7t wrote

You should join the NYPD and advocate for this! Also, the NYPD had the least amount of police related shootings of any major department in this country, they’re not going around doing drive-bys.

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Daddy_Macron t1_jdcrnlr wrote

> If they get into a crash, you would need to scrap the entire car as the battery may be damaged.

If you get to the point where the crash damages the battery, it would have probably scrapped an equivalent internal combustion car as well. Fender benders don't take EV's out of commission and the battery pack is usually built into the structure that to damage it, you'd have to damage the car at a structural level.

>EVs are also more expensive than ICE cars.

Upfront, but the cost of operations is more important to an organization that uses them nearly everyday. Lower cost of energy and less maintenance alone will save more than the additional purchase price.

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aviciiavbdeadpunk t1_jdb020t wrote

still getting gapped by a 90s civic on the belt parkway and jackie robinson

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hatts t1_jdbh5e8 wrote

mach-e 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, the tuned VTEC is not gonna cut it lmao

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