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Oslopa t1_jdxjsu5 wrote

Reply to comment by Neoliberalism2024 in New Yorkers overwhelmingly support bail changes ahead of state budget deadline: Poll by Grass8989

Sure, let’s jump into a tough on crime policy, despite the evidence not showing that bail reform has been the problem. It’s an emotional reaction leading to a knee jerk over-correction.

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Elizasol t1_jdxlki9 wrote

When there are many people walking the streets with 100+ arrests, I think it's safe to conclude there is something wrong with bail

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mehkindaok t1_jdy2tnj wrote

It’s all part of the green new deal - connect the revolving door of justice to a generator and it will power the entire state!

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huebomont t1_jdyg14b wrote

Even though the rise in crime happened in states without bail reform too?

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Rottimer t1_jdyvfxf wrote

Shhh! They choose to believe alternative facts, like NY's crime is out of control and isn't as peaceful and ordered as safe cities without bail reform, like St. Louis, New Orleans, Baton Rouge, or Kansas City.

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casanovaelrey t1_jdxnk3j wrote

Opposed to people consistently being wrongly convicted or held for YEARS on charges that are then dropped due to lack of evidence. Bail is NOT PUNISHMENT. We need to do something but we need an original idea.

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Bma1500 t1_jdxpbzp wrote

New York grants the right to a speedy trial known as 180.80. You demand that the DA gather their evidence and indict you within 6 days or you walk free.

If you’re wrongfully arrested, invoke that and tell them to put up or shut up

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casanovaelrey t1_jdxr5g8 wrote

I know about this. Unfortunately I think you misunderstand what "wrongfully arrested" means here. It means you were arrested and/or convicted for a cringe you did not commit. If the DA has evidence that they claim link you to the crime insert Central Park 5, Richard Rosario, etc then this law wouldn't apply. Also everyone doesn't know if this law (and often public defenders as agents of the state pressure innocent people to take deals). There are too many moving parts. The system is broken and running back to something that doesn't work is not the best move.

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Oslopa t1_jdxr0xo wrote

When I make up whatever facts suit my predetermined conclusion, I also find that arguments are easy to win!

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Elizasol t1_jdy8w6z wrote

Either you don't actually live here or you haven't been keeping up with the news over the past few years

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Oslopa t1_jdyoi07 wrote

I live here and am familiar with the NYPost-type coverage, which usually cherry-picks examples and glosses over important details. You’re reacting, not thinking.

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Elizasol t1_jdyop69 wrote

> When there are many people walking the streets with 100+ arrests, I think it's safe to conclude there is something wrong with bail

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sternfan1523 t1_jdxn3sd wrote

you can't have bail reform but also not allow for them to have discretion on if they are likely to be a violent risk. It's one or the other.

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ffzero58 t1_jdxn8pe wrote

Whoever implemented this version of bail reform did not do a thorough job of closing out some odd loopholes. However, bail reform did help a very high number of folks who were first time offenders to not lose their jobs and livelihood. I hope the next iteration of reforms will fix these issues - especially the career criminals and repeat offenders.

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mehkindaok t1_jdy33g7 wrote

It showed the first time offenders there is zero consequence consequence and turns them into 100th time offenders.

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SmurfsNeverDie t1_jdxn84g wrote

When its your family member that gets stabbed because someone with a violent record got off easily ill hear you out

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casanovaelrey t1_jdxncb9 wrote

EXACTLY. But that's what conservatives do best. Knee-jerk, fear monger, and overcorrect based on how many people of the "others" they can hurt in the process.

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Grass8989 OP t1_jdxpdfh wrote

“with a breakdown of 76% of Democrats, 71% of independents and 69% of Republicans, according to the Siena College poll.”

Conservatives?

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casanovaelrey t1_jdxqeka wrote

> And before ANYONE says "well *insert number" people support it", I don't care. Not everyone knows the law and most people operate based on what they think the law is. But I digress.

DEFINITELY must have missed this part in your quest to be right.

Also the "Tough on crime" and "War on Drugs" legacy conservative policies and a cornerstone of ANYTHING they talk about. So I stand by my comments.

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Peking_Meerschaum t1_jdxzyzo wrote

You can't just hand-wave away the will of a significant majority of all voters because they don't have NYU law degrees. Luckily it doesn't matter if you don't care what the majority of residents of this state want, we still live in a democracy and the majority rules.

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