beagle_bathouse t1_j254ysn wrote
The Kala Santiago killing is so infuriating. That truck driver said she panicked when he crossed the double yellow to pass her and fell under her truck. There are pictures of the parked cars where you can see her bike gashed them open when she was crushed between them and the truck.
Dude was driving recklessly (not 100% sure it is even legal to drive a tractor trailer on that street) and the dude killed someone because of his negligence, and just walked away. Fuck that.
oreosfly t1_j25bxcb wrote
There's no enforcement against truck drivers in the city. They just take whatever route they want. I've seen 53 footers on local streets attempting to make turns down residential one ways. Fuck them.
beagle_bathouse t1_j25n9tz wrote
I've seen an 18 wheel try to turn onto a numbered residential street from an ave, get stuck, and rip 2 parked cars apart backing out. Ave traffic was blocked for like 30+ minutes and people still complain about bikes :/
thesweetestchill_ t1_j26irmx wrote
Taking out parked cars every day trying to turn off narrow one ways. It’s insanity.
tinydancer_inurhand t1_j290id0 wrote
Just the other day one had to back out in Astoria cause he tried to turn onto a narrow residential. Cops were right down the block ordering food from the truck without a care.
ken81987 t1_j26g4xk wrote
Cars are legal murder weapons
HEIMDVLLR t1_j259q85 wrote
There was a two-way bike lane across the street from where Kala was killed.
beagle_bathouse t1_j25mw7m wrote
It was 100% legal for her to be riding in the street. It was legally ambiguous at best for the truck to be even on that street, and the maneuver they made to pass her was illegal. Now shes dead and it's her fault?
This is like when someone gets shot or assaulted and someone comes out and says "oh well they shouldn't have been out so late", "What were they doing in that neighborhood", "They should have known better". Bitch, that car broke the law, she did not, now shes dead. stfu.
edit: getting the 'a redditor is concerned about you' admin alert is honestly so satisfying because you know you pissed someone off enough to actually make them go out of their way and make a dozen clicks.
HEIMDVLLR t1_j2937j9 wrote
> It was 100% legal for her to be riding in the street. It was legally ambiguous at best for the truck to be even on that street, and the maneuver they made to pass her was illegal. Now shes dead and it's her fault?
Then what’s the point of the bike lanes? If they’re optional then why have them? Why advocate for ticketing cars for driving or parking in the bike lanes?
> This is like when someone gets shot or assaulted and someone comes out and says "oh well they shouldn't have been out so late", "What were they doing in that neighborhood", "They should have known better". Bitch, that car broke the law, she did not, now shes dead. stfu.
No the fuck it’s not!
There is no designated path for someone wishing to avoid gun carriers, stray bullets or other aggressive pedestrians. Just like there’s no way to avoid aggressive drivers or cyclist!
Ignoring the bike path to ride in the street with the cars and commercial vehicles is more equivalent to a pedestrian crossing a highway, ignoring the pedestrian bridge or a subway rider crossing the tracks instead of using the pedestrian tunnel underneath / bridge above.
beagle_bathouse t1_j296jwj wrote
>Then what’s the point of the bike lanes? If they’re optional then why have them? Why advocate for ticketing cars for driving or parking in the bike lanes?
Bike lanes can offer a safer alternative to the street. Sometimes they are less safe if they are blocked, not maintained or have pedestrians in them. Sometimes, like on this road, there are a line of parked cars between the street and the bike lane and you have to ride down the street before entering the bike lane. Regardless, it is legal and logical for bikes to ride in the street.
>No the fuck it’s not!
It is.
> Ignoring the bike path to ride in the street with the cars and commercial vehicles is more equivalent to a pedestrian crossing a highway, ignoring the pedestrian bridge or a subway rider crossing the tracks instead of using the pedestrian tunnel underneath / bridge above.
No. All those examples you give are illegal behavior and people using infrastructure in a way it was not designed to be used. She was 100% in the right and did nothing wrong by riding her bike in the street. Legally and operationally street infrastructure is not just for trucks and cars, it is for bikes, motor cycles, scooters and some micro mobility as well.
She was legally in the right and you're just coming up with excuses for this person who killed her while breaking the law so that you can be what? Convenienced? Is it a culture wars "anti-bike" thing? I think you're purposefully ignoring the fact that two people were involved in this incident. One broke the law and killed someone. One followed the law and died anyway. You are telling me the person who broke the law and killed someone did nothing wrong, a very smooth brained take. Keep it real my dude.
InfernalTest t1_j29s16f wrote
or maybe she just shouldnt have been in the lane with cars and trucks ....
HEIMDVLLR t1_j29zzrc wrote
> Bike lanes can offer a safer alternative to the street.
Exactly, that was my original point! They’re a safer than riding in the street with 2+ ton vehicles. Same reason why we have sidewalks and crosswalks that pedestrians use, instead of walking in the street.
> Sometimes they are less safe if they are blocked, not maintained or have pedestrians in them. Sometimes, like on this road, there are a line of parked cars between the street and the bike lane and you have to ride down the street before entering the bike lane. Regardless, it is legal and logical for bikes to ride in the street.
Walk the bike until it’s safe to ride in the bike path.
> It is.
It’s not.
> No. All those examples you give are illegal behavior and people using infrastructure in a way it was not designed to be used. She was 100% in the right and did nothing wrong by riding her bike in the street. Legally and operationally street infrastructure is not just for trucks and cars, it is for bikes, motor cycles, scooters and some micro mobility as well.
Yes. Those examples are the equivalent to what happened. I don’t wish death on anyone but I wished she had used better judgment and not take any chances. I’m saying this as a driver that doesn’t feel comfortable around trucks on the expressways.
> She was legally in the right and you're just coming up with excuses for this person who killed her while breaking the law so that you can be what? Convenienced? Is it a culture wars "anti-bike" thing? I think you're purposefully ignoring the fact that two people were involved in this incident. One broke the law and killed someone. One followed the law and died anyway. You are telling me the person who broke the law and killed someone did nothing wrong, a very smooth brained take. Keep it real my dude.
No she’s not. Bikes are required to use the bike lane when they’re available and will be ticketed otherwise. You should know this. The bike and micromobility subs are always alerting other riders of the police ticketing riders for violating this rule!
> RCNY 4-12 (p)(3) Bicyclists should ride in usable bike lanes, unless they are blocked or unsafe for any reason. — SUMMARY OF NYS BIKE LAWS
beagle_bathouse t1_j2a5i6h wrote
>RCNY 4-12 (p)(3) Bicyclists should ride in usable bike lanes, unless they are blocked or unsafe for any reason.
This was specifically put in place by NYC to allow bicyclists to use the streets by superseding NY State VTL § 1234 which requires bikers to use a bike lane if available. In NYC they are not required to use the bike lane, as per the text you posted. "Should", unlike "shall" (the verbiage used in VTL 1234 which RCNY 4-12 (p)(3) supersedes), suggests but does not require they do the stated action. It also gives reasons, which I brought up prior, for why she may not have been in the bike lane.
Micromobility subs post about NYPD camping at spots near bridges to check for bells, lights at dusk, and people who merge into traffic at reds. They don't alert for NYPD stopping people for riding in the street because NYPD does not stop people from riding in the street.
You seem to really go above and beyond to nit pick and misinterpret the text of a NYC law when the driver here clearly violated VTL 1146 , VTL 1122, and VTL 1120, resulting in a woman's death.
If you need clarification on the law you can reach out below and they will talk it out with you on the phone:
cdavidg4 t1_j25awhp wrote
The two-way lanes has limited access points. One of those is at the intersection just after where she was hit.
And the truck was illegally off route. Caton is the truck route, not Parkside.
HEIMDVLLR t1_j2a4kii wrote
I agree the truck shouldn’t have been on that road. This also applies to cyclist not using the two-way bike lane when one is present. If the bike lane isn’t safe, and the street isn’t safe, get off the bike and walk.
Your life isn’t worth proving a point.
cdavidg4 t1_j2ayuol wrote
The bike lane has limited access points. You can't use it if you can't get in it. She was riding in the street to the next intersection where you enter the lane.
She wasn't proving a point, she was just trying to commute and didn't do anything wrong. 100% of the blame is on the truck that didn't exercise due care and was off route. You know, actual law breaking.
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