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cramersCoke t1_j1zoirw wrote

Reply to comment by Myske1 in Opinion: New York finally has momentum on housing and it’s time for a breakthrough by King-of-New-York

Bruh, lower-cost housing without building more housing literally does not exist.

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Myske1 t1_j1zp3j1 wrote

Sure it does. It's called moving to somewhere else. Cleveland. Detroit. Hell, any city except SF. Not everyone gets to live in NYC, and when more people start looking elsewhere, the pressure on the housing market will lessen. If you can't find a place to live here, get your ass to Rochester.

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George4Mayor86 t1_j200x04 wrote

“Fuck off we’re full” is literally never the correct response to immigration.

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Myske1 t1_j2027u6 wrote

Immigrants arriving in NYC have used it as a gateway to move on to the rest of the country after days, months, or years for as long as there has been a country.

Not everyone needs to live in NYC, not everyone gets to, not everyone can afford to, and so on. There are probably a billion people around the world who would rather live here than where they live. Should they all be crammed into the city?

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JBMPropertyMgmtLLC t1_j2044mx wrote

When your entire personality is that you live in NYC, I suppose seeing other people live here makes you insecure.

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Myske1 t1_j204opt wrote

Dude, what a bullshit trash statement.

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JBMPropertyMgmtLLC t1_j207tl3 wrote

You reek of insecurity. Anyways, I’m a NYC landlord and your attitude increases my profit margin, so thank you for that I guess LOL.

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MarbleFox_ t1_j25ik9n wrote

Not everyone needs to live in NYC, but the city should have the infrastructure to accommodate everyone that wants to.

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Myske1 t1_j25j3cd wrote

There are like a billion people around the world who would rather live in NYC than where they live. We’re not building for all of them. Even if you’re a real estate developer shill, you have to acknowledge there is some sort of upper limit. The only thing we’re actually arguing about is what that limit is.

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MarbleFox_ t1_j263ksv wrote

> There are like a billion people around the world who would rather live in NYC than where they live.

No there aren’t.

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Wowzlul t1_j1zuj41 wrote

This is the kind of rhetoric you hear in San Francisco, or the Bay Area generally. I honestly thought we were better than this.

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koreamax t1_j20jpve wrote

I'm from San Francisco and this is spot on. Fake hyper liberals in the Bay Area are actually as socially conservative as they come

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Wowzlul t1_j20kaqi wrote

It's really quite contrary to the attitude toward migration and expansion that historically dominated in the city and that's arguably its greatest source of success.

Obviously you can't fit the whole world here, but we're nowhere close to what we could do. For fucks sake most of the city is still zoned for single family homes and we never even finished the goddamn subway.

"We're full" my ass. You just like how you've got things set up for yourself and don't want to risk any disruption. God forbid the world not revolve around you.

(rhetorical "you" there obv)

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Myske1 t1_j1zw1uv wrote

Lived here for all my life, and I’ve seen neighborhoods wrecked by overdevelopment. At some point, enough is enough, and we need to stand up to the crooked real estate industry.

You act like migration is a bad thing. Or new. It’s neither. People have been moving from NYC to other places in big numbers since the city was founded. Without international immigration, we’d have net population loss.

The solution for people who want a cheaper place to live is to move somewhere cheaper. It’s not that complicated.

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actualtext t1_j21qdi1 wrote

Rent prices will never go down with that approach. You’re basically suggesting we freeze development of new housing. That’s horrible.

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Myske1 t1_j21r72b wrote

False. Prices depend on both supply and demand. The real estate developers want to make money and have convinced everybody that their supply-side approach is the right one. Reducing demand would do it just as well, and that would involve population loss. People moving away or dying faster than they arrive or are born.

It's happened before. The population dropped like crazy when people started moving to the burbs in big numbers in the 60s and 70s. Rents dropped. Sale prices dropped. People were picking up whole brownstones for almost nothing.

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beepoppab t1_j22j133 wrote

"The farmers want to make money and have convinced everybody that growing more food will bring down the price of food. Instead, some folks just need to stop eating so we can reduce demand."

Can I buy some crack from you?

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