Submitted by mossylegacy t3_10joac9 in nyc
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Silo-Joe t1_j5m1aav wrote
So few drivers get their cars impounded for wreckless driving.
throws_rocks_at_cars t1_j5qck6j wrote
Reckless is behaving dangerously or without caution/consideration towards others.
Wreckless means that something is without a wreck. A reckless driver would likely not be wreckless on a long enough enough, because reckless drivers are more prone to get into car wrecks.
IntelligentCicada363 t1_j5m9f66 wrote
Never forget that getting hit by a car will probably leave you with chronic pain for the rest of your life. Deaths are tragic but not even the whole story.
Drivers will never be responsible and there will never be enough police to enforce traffic laws, ignoring the fact that they actively don’t care.
Grass8989 t1_j5m9t6k wrote
The meteorologist who got beaten on the train can possibly have life long pain and no ones getting charged in that case either.
Menacing_Quokka t1_j5mgq5y wrote
How is that relevant?
Grass8989 t1_j5mhpsh wrote
It’s not uncommon in this city for people to get away with causing bodily harm to someone else with no repercussions?
Menacing_Quokka t1_j5miniv wrote
It's true. Maybe the people assaulting the weatherman just had a medical incident.
IntelligentCicada363 t1_j5ma2zk wrote
Thousands of people hit by cars versus one meteorologist beat up on a train. You just blow in from stupid town?
Grass8989 t1_j5mbukb wrote
Do you know how many assault cases get downgraded/thrown out?
IntelligentCicada363 t1_j5mc1eh wrote
I’m going to go ahead and say less than the number of car-pedestrian crashes every year
chug84 t1_j5mevz4 wrote
So we should just pretend everything is ok in the subway and on our streets because more people allegedly get hit by cars. Got it.
-_SophiaPetrillo_- t1_j5mlv9f wrote
Perhaps the reason so many cyclists were killed in the Bronx after 2019 is the HORRIBLE implementation of bike lanes??? The data is literally showing that cyclists were safer beforehand. To get onto the highway from my main intersection I need to look at SIX light signals, and that doesn’t include the three bike lane lights. I have a red, yellow, green, green arrow, flashing yellow arrow, red arrow. Then the bike lane has its own set of three. But the bike lane has people moving in both directions. So I need to track all six lights and then look over my driver’s side blind spot, over parked cars, to see if a cyclist is coming from behind me. But I can’t take too long or one of my six lights might change. 🙄🤬
johnsciarrino t1_j5pni21 wrote
It’s genuinely shocking how all the changes are making things worse. As a person who walks, bikes, scoots and drives in the boroughs I can’t believe anyone thought these “protected bike lanes” would be a good idea. The change has effectively made the bike lanes gauntlets for bikers to ride in, treacherous tunnels with no option to escape in case of emergencies. And when I say emergencies I mean pedestrians cluelessly standing in the middle of the bike lane, garbage trucks and their employees blocking them to pick up trash, cops doing their normal bullshit of parking wherever the hell they want, delivery trucks backing into loading bays, giant potholes, etc etc.
The worst is seeing bikers avoiding the bike lanes entirely and still riding in traffic, only now the streets are even more narrow because the protected bike lanes have created a five foot wide wall where there used to be space to maneuver. I can’t even blame them for it, I hate being stuck in there too.
And don’t even get me started with the nightmare they created by the Brooklyn bridge. It’s like they did all this planning for a perfect world and not the reality of the chaos of NYC.
-_SophiaPetrillo_- t1_j5ppp76 wrote
Yes! I think it is more dangerous for everyone involved. I’m not sure where the thought process was here. Putting the bike lane between parked cars/bus stops and sidewalks increases the risk of pedestrians and cyclists colliding. A poor boy was hit bad by a cyclist last year (cyclist was okay) when he tried to get from the baseball field to his family vehicle and didn’t know to look both ways in the bike lane.
The number one thing they need to cut down on car use in NYC is a cost efficient, effective system of public transportation. I would love to not need my car daily. But it doesn’t make sense to gamble on waiting 20 minutes for a bus to take me to the subway when driving into Manhattan will take me 15 min at most. It takes me 45min-1hr to use public transportation for a 15 min drive.
-_SophiaPetrillo_- t1_j5muupj wrote
And this doesn’t include me having to look for cars in the oncoming lane while I have a flashing yellow arrow.
mission17 t1_j5ndlzi wrote
Amazing how even in a thread about pedestrian deaths that the conservatives managed to shift the conversation to bail reform and subways, evading the point entirely.
toastedclown t1_j5pr5rn wrote
If only cyclists would stop rolling through stop signs...
Dont_mute_me_bro t1_j5x7z5g wrote
For all the hoopla, traffic deaths haven't seen a significant change over the last 4 years. There will always be human error. No government program can insure total safety.
Grass8989 t1_j5lx4cp wrote
“ According to the detailed analysis by Transportation Alternatives, 16 children under age 18 were killed in crashes last year”
That’s actually a lot lower of a number than I thought, for a city of 8 million people I’d say we’re doing a pretty good job.
Just like there’s never going to be no crime, there’s never going to be no accidents.
eclectic5228 t1_j5mjkp7 wrote
I attend transportation community board meetings and try to keep up with what DOT is doing. The issue is that many of these safety issues are ignored. DOT sets it's own goals and misses them Community boards ask for specific safety measures and DOT ignores them. In contrast, cities like Hoboken and Jersey City have implemented really cheap and easy fixes, such as stopping cars from parking next to crosswalks (which is actually the law in NY State but the city overrides, and is a proven way of improving visibility) and they have had NO traffic fatalities in years!
Every life is a world. We can't stop all deaths, but DOT isn't even close to stopping preventable deaths
supermechace t1_j5o8ik5 wrote
I could never make sense of the DOT in queens, they ignores complaints about a dangerous intersection for years before finally painting the ground and putting signs up relatively low cost safety measures. I don't get what their real priorities are other than hints it's to maximize traffic speed regardless of pedestrians.
werecat t1_j5owyyy wrote
Road deaths are not mandatory, the whole point of vision zero is zero deaths from crashes. This is actually an obtainable goal, we just have to be serious about changing the infrastructure to prevent crashes from occurring in the first place. Especially in the places they keep occurring in, as deadly crashes happen in the same places over and over. The data is clear, changing a street to be safer really does make it safer. No one should have to die or lose a loved one on a known dangerous road because "not enough other people have died yet".
Can we really prevent all road deaths from crashes? We certainly can't if we say "well maybe some deaths are ok"
throws_rocks_at_cars t1_j5qcu16 wrote
There are many cities that have had zero traffic deaths in a year. That’s why vision zero exists: because it’s achievable.
flightwaves t1_j5mod1d wrote
As much as this article tries to fear-monger, the stats are not as bad as you'd imagine. Especially since the rate of biking has gone up significantly, we actually saw a decrease YOY.
Grass8989 t1_j5mwj3o wrote
Typical fear mongering from streetsblog.
D14DFF0B t1_j5p81j0 wrote
Ban cars.
NetQuarterLatte t1_j5mcqq9 wrote
How many of those fatalities were cause by criminals driving stolen cars, or criminals using cars as a weapon?
Are we surprise the numbers are ticking up since 2020?
The bail reform left murders bail-eligible, but the reform practically made homicides using vehicles not-bail eligible.
mission17 t1_j5mdqds wrote
Is there anything you haven't tried to blame on bail reform yet?
Sickpup831 t1_j5mhv2s wrote
No but I will blame a DA that ran on the platform of refusing to prosecute people driving with suspended licenses because it’s racist.
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NetQuarterLatte t1_j5mgbzi wrote
Probably the most impactful thing the bail reform did to traffic safety was making auto theft not-bail eligible.
Color me skeptic, but I don't believe drivers fleeing with stolen cars care if the car gets damaged. Let alone caring about traffic safety.
- 2019: 5,430 GLA (GRAND LARCENY AUTO)
- 2020: 9,037 GLA
- 2021: 10,415 GLA
- 2022: 13,750 GLA
brownredgreen t1_j5mhhjl wrote
CITATION NEEDED
You anti bail reform people are well known liars.
Documented proof or STFU
NetQuarterLatte t1_j5mjc8g wrote
You can believe, without any evidence, that car thieves drive stolen cars as safely as everyone else. That's up to you.
Anyone who can set ideology aside for a minute can apply some common sense here.
mission17 t1_j5mlze1 wrote
Your leap from "reckless driver" to "car thief" seemed to purposely miss a few other probable explanations for why crashes occur in order to reach your desired conclusion in every thread (bail reform and Bragg = bad).
Rottimer t1_j5pua4q wrote
Now look up the index of used car prices in 2019 - 2022. Let me help:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CUSR0000SETA02
So the easiest cars to steal (see Hyundai and Kia’s lack of immobilizers in used models) are worth 50-60% more year over year. And you think it’s bail reform that caused a spike in car thefts?
NetQuarterLatte t1_j5pz7l2 wrote
It’s only possible to say the bail laws are not a factor if we had 13750 car thieves, with each of them only stealing one car and never reoffending.
But that would require NYC to have 13750 car thieves, which is an absurd number (more than 170 per 100,000).
But let’s them keep driving the stolen cars, shall we?
A stolen vehicle is 150 to 200x more likely to be involved in a car accident. So at least we have that going.
Rottimer t1_j5q1ki7 wrote
Car thefts are not tied to arrests. So your assertion isn’t true at all. You could have 13,750 car thefts by one very busy person who has never been caught and bail reform would have had zero impact on that crime figure.
NetQuarterLatte t1_j5q4mwe wrote
Fair.
A combination of recidivism during the pre-trial period and a measure of loss in the deterrence effect would be a better way of measuring the impact of the bail reform and the other related reforms (automatic discovery, raise the age, etc).
Grass8989 t1_j5mdnjn wrote
This is also true. I’d imagine the vehement champions of “bail reform” probably desperately want anyone who injures someone with a vehicle to serve the maximum sentence, and be held pretrial. They can’t have it both ways
-_SophiaPetrillo_- t1_j5mv582 wrote
I’m not surprised that that’s when the uptick started. Because it’s when bike lanes were implemented in the stupidest way possible.
brownredgreen t1_j5mhmfx wrote
Should Harvey Weinstein have been held in detention before his crimes were proven in a courtroom and a jury found him guilty?
Why wasnt he?
NetQuarterLatte t1_j5mjvyj wrote
Harvey Weinstein is not the best poster child for pre-trial rights...
The main issue is that the judge in NY can only set bail to ensure his appearance in court. They set to $2M and he did appear in court.
The problem is that the NY laws (incorrectly IMO) makes pre-trial detention be unrelated to public safety and the likelihood to re-offend. And that needs to change.
Under a public safety standard, the sheer amount of victims ought to convince any judge that he is a threat to the public, no matter how much money he has to pay.
stickykk t1_j5lxr5h wrote
Not enough people (repeat offenders) aren't losing their drivers licenses or for that matter getting fined / made to appear at court.