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AugustWest7120 t1_j2yypcy wrote

Where’s acid on da list ?!

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IIAOPSW t1_j2zd5oi wrote

> of a natural plant or fungus-based hallucinogen.

LSD is derived from ergot, a type of fungus which infects plants in the wheat family causing the grains to develop black bulbouses.

Edit: I just clicked through and read the bill. It's a hard read and I may be missing something, but it looks like the quoted part isn't the whole story of what's in this thing. There's a whole section after that which goes on to define "plant based hallucinogen" as specifically meaning "any of the following compounds or their salts or isomers..." LSD is not on the list. The revised rules are helpfully shown in green and the parts of the legal code being overwritten are helpfully striker through in red. In section 5 we see the same list of" natural" chemicals crossed out but LSD is still there.

So it looks like I was wrong in interpreting that quote because every single word in it was defined to mean something else later on.

WTF is this arbitrary hippie "natural plant based" bullshit. I don't get what this guy thinks is natural VS processed, or why that's even relevant. This dude buying his psychedelics out the whole foods organic shelf?

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gazorpazorpfuknfield t1_j34dul5 wrote

I agree the definition of "natural" is arbitrary but technically LSD is semi-synthetic. It was created from Ergot but it's not naturally occurring in Ergot itself.

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fafalone t1_j30q2qh wrote

For some reason all these bills to legalize psychedelics are drawing some ridiculous distinction with "natural medicine". Where we should only be allowed to have the 'natural medicine' of psychedelics that occur in nature. It's entirely unjustified and arbitrary to exclude LSD, but all the bills in other states like this have done it for some reason.

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RW3Bro t1_j303d5f wrote

Can’t speak for mescaline, but acid is far more mentally destabilizing than DMT or shrooms. There’s a reason it was weaponized against a nascent counterculture in the 60s and 70s.

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gazorpazorpfuknfield t1_j34cu86 wrote

BS. It depends on the person and many other factors whether they handle one better than the other.

LSD was attempted to be weaponized because it's insanely easy to produce conceal and covertly deliver millions of doses even against someone's will. Can't do that with mushrooms

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Motor_Ad_473 t1_j3743np wrote

You’ve never tried it lol. Mushrooms are way more of an emotional rollercoaster than acid.

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RW3Bro t1_j375fpm wrote

>You’ve never tried it lol.

Heh.

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Motor_Ad_473 t1_j375n5m wrote

Then what are you basing the view of it being mentally destabilizing on?

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RW3Bro t1_j377qt0 wrote

Without getting into much more detail, I’ve got enough experience (personal and otherwise) to make that claim with a decent degree of confidence.

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Motor_Ad_473 t1_j38bkqo wrote

“Trust me bro”

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RW3Bro t1_j38oj80 wrote

I don’t care if you trust me, I’m just sharing an opinion that’s informed by a breadth of experience which I’d hazard is larger than most people’s.

It’s also suspicious how many people (namely Kesey and Leary) who were involved with turning LSD into the cultural juggernaut it became in the 60s and 70s had ties to intelligence services or their experiments. Many of the villains of the time period (Kaczynski, Bulger, Manson, and Sirhan) were verified or rumored to be connected as well, but it’s impossible to have a sober reconciliation of what happened since the CIA had those files destroyed.

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Motor_Ad_473 t1_j3a8nst wrote

> breadth of experience which I’d hazard is larger than most people’s.

I haven’t met a single person who’s tried acid and been against it in the manner you are. Not one.

> cultural juggernaut it became in the 60s and 70s

Psychedelics were a “cultural juggernaut” back then because “war on drugs” propaganda wasn’t being shoved down the throats of Americans. They could actually think for themselves back then.

> had ties to intelligence services or their experiments.

What are you basing that on? Leary was arrested and widely hated for his views/use of psychedelics. You know those experiences you’re referencing used a ridiculous dose of acid paired with psychological torture. It wasn’t the acid itself at all.

> villains

The world isn’t a comic book lol

> were verified or rumored to be connected as well

They were already vulnerable when they were psychologically abused by the CIA under the influence of incomprehensible doses of psychedelics without their consent

> happened since the CIA had those files destroyed.

Why do you think that is? Same government that has relentlessly pushed propaganda against only certain drugs they can’t profit off of. Ones that free the mind and endanger the established order.

You don’t seem to have this same disdain for alcohol. I have yet to see a single study pointing to the positive mental health effects of alcohol.

Are all of those positive studies about psychedelics also funded by the CIA? The same government that lists marijuana as a schedule 1 substance?

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RW3Bro t1_j3ad5xc wrote

Let’s agree to disagree brother.

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