Submitted by someone_whoisthat t3_104gvhi in nyc
drpvn t1_j35tj7d wrote
> 10% of all shooting victims — 10% of all shooting victims in New York City — are under the age of 18.
windupshoe2020 t1_j36o9sk wrote
That’s lower than I would have guessed.
brianvan t1_j38mtdo wrote
Because you were just primed by a statement that said it was “out of control”
NetQuarterLatte t1_j38g9l9 wrote
10% of 1,524 victims amounts to 150 underage victims.
The Uvalde school shooting in Texas had 19 underage victims. So in NYC, we are having the equivalent of 7x Uvalde shootings in a year when it comes to under-18 victims.
But I bet the media covered the Uvalde shooting more than all of the shootings in NYC combined.
FartSniffingDog t1_j38pcp5 wrote
Clearly you are trying to paint a narrative by ignoring population size, but the Uvalde shooting had 19 underage DEATHS. 150 kids were victims of shooting in NYC, but that does not mean 150 deaths.
NetQuarterLatte t1_j38qann wrote
Shawn Frye, Raelynn Cameron, ...
FartSniffingDog t1_j38rg1j wrote
Yes. That was a tragedy. Did the cops ever arrest anyone for it? No. They didn’t even find the body after the shooting, much less the perps. The body was discovered the next morning by the woman who lived at the house where he hid from the bullets behind a van.
NetQuarterLatte t1_j3919xn wrote
Do you actually wish the cops did something to prevent those deaths?
We might be on the same camp here.
FartSniffingDog t1_j391jsf wrote
Obviously, but the NYPD doesn’t prevent shit.
NetQuarterLatte t1_j392qh9 wrote
You’re being inconsistent here.
If NYPD doesn’t prevent shit, doesn’t that imply crimes in NYC are out of control?
FartSniffingDog t1_j395lfa wrote
The concept of crime being “out of control” is ridiculous. If it was out of control, you’d see massive looting and rioting all over the city, with police being targeted by civilians and not feeling safe. Instead, any time a police officer suffers a scratch, the entire department freaks out.
Crime does not just occur naturally due to a lack of active or effective policing. People make choices to commit crime. The police are not here to prevent crime. They are here to maintain the system and the status quo.
But you are correct. I was speaking hyperbolically. The NYPD does prevent some crime. They also prevent many people from simply living their lives, they prevent traffic from moving smoothly, they prevent other departments from being fully funded, and they prevent people from parking in their own neighborhoods by abusing their placards + issuing out placards to friends and family. Just to name a few of their prevention policies.
Bottom line: the answer is community prevention. Police should be required to live in the precinct they serve in. And, it should be service. I spent 12 years active duty in the Army. I know how to follow rules and regulations. Cops, on the other hand, don’t think the law applies to them. They should ride public transportation and not abuse their placards to park illegally all over the city. They should be punished for breaking rules. There should be more internal affairs power and civilian oversight on investigations into the many dirty cops. Also, splitting the transit police and parking/vehicle enforcement away from the NYPD proper would fix many problems, as then the NYPD can’t just file fake 311 reports when crime is noticed.
NetQuarterLatte t1_j39gpnk wrote
I mostly agree with everything you wrote.
And I wanted to call out that this is quite a courageous thing to bring up in this sub:
>Crime does not just occur naturally due to a lack of active or effective policing. People make choices to commit crime.
what_mustache t1_j38ktro wrote
Uvalde also has about 0.18 percent the population of NYC. Not really a fair comparison.
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