Submitted by someone_whoisthat t3_104gvhi in nyc
stalkingshadow01 t1_j36a0j8 wrote
If stop and frisk would save lives and lower crime, at the cost of inconvenience, should it be brought back?
Are those lives worth it?
mowotlarx t1_j36j4z0 wrote
>at the cost of inconvenience
At the cost of a massive civil rights violation directed by racial discrimination, you mean?
iRedditAlreadyyy t1_j36kfa7 wrote
He skipped over all those facts.
Rottimer t1_j37th2t wrote
Because it won’t inconvenience him. It won’t make people safer either, he’ll just feel safer knowing cops are “inconveniencing” people he looks at as criminals.
stalkingshadow01 t1_j3brd9m wrote
That’s just not true. I have been stopped and frisked before and my building’s near major police presence, so if it’s brought back, I will be stopped and frisked in the future. But that’s all I see it as each time I was stopped- an inconvenience.
It’s a question on whether lives are worth the inconvenience, and based on the downvotes, I’m sad to see political correctness > black and brown lives.
Rottimer t1_j3cdou4 wrote
Imagine calling complaints about rank racism “political correctness.”
You’ll have to forgive me if I doubt your story. Regardless, you would have to be exceedingly ignorant of stop and frisk policy if you think the criticisms of it are about “political correctness.” It didn’t save black and brown lives. And it was more than an “inconvenience” for a lot of people.
stalkingshadow01 t1_j3cibjk wrote
To be effective, doctors target illnesses and firefighter target fires. Likewise police should target areas of high crime and high risk individuals, which is what policy is designed to do and there is nothing racist about that.
On the practical side, I recognize certain minorities will be getting stopped and frisked more than others, the same minorities that are disproportionately affected by gun violence. I see it as a trade off, inconvenience vs lives saved. People are still debating effectiveness, but the design is sound in my opinion.
Do you have some personal reason to be so against the policy, what was your experience with it during the Bloomberg years?
Rottimer t1_j3ctl0p wrote
So once again, despite recorded evidence to the contrary, you're making the assertion that stop and frisk worked. It did not. And it's not me saying that. It's researchers that studied it.
And despite the policy being found explicitly racist in a court of law, you'll deny that too. I really have no interest in arguing with someone that denies reality.
Have a great day.
stalkingshadow01 t1_j3d53g6 wrote
Except you’re wrong, there’s plenty that support the policy worked, but I acknowledge there’s disagreement on the matter, and you should at least do the same.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna1151121
https://theconversation.com/amp/stop-and-frisk-can-work-under-careful-supervision-127785
https://psmag.com/.amp/news/trump-is-still-a-fan-of-stop-and-frisk-but-does-it-work
There’s probably just as much disagreement on whether it’s racist; and it’s not about whether anyone’s living in your reality or not.
I’m curious why you didn’t respond to my question about your actual experience on the matter. Do you even have a dog in this fight or are you just some arm chair liberal that likes to dismiss anything that doesn’t fit your worldview.
An-Angel_Sent-By-God t1_j3750le wrote
Silly question because it didn't and it wouldn't.
casicua t1_j37a3oj wrote
Yeah and if you could let cops just arrest everyone they’re even mildly suspicious of without cause it would probably save lives too. Any more dumb questions?
Menacing_Quokka t1_j37b4ht wrote
We should all be in prison for our safety.
casicua t1_j37d7rb wrote
Highest incarceration rate in the world, well on our way! USA #1!!!
Menacing_Quokka t1_j37dd4e wrote
Just one more rights violation, bro. Just one more and we'll be safe I promise.
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ShadownetZero t1_j36t1si wrote
You're getting downvoted by clowns who don't understand why stop and frisk was actually ended.
There's nothing inherently wrong with the concept.
marketingguy420 t1_j370q9f wrote
Because it didn't do anything and crime continued to drop after stop and frisk was abandoned hope this helps
ShadownetZero t1_j374ng6 wrote
No, but okay.
ThreeLittlePuigs t1_j38c80e wrote
What did they say that was wrong?
Menacing_Quokka t1_j37b23m wrote
> You're getting downvoted by clowns who don't understand why stop and frisk was actually ended.
How did you come to this conclusion.
ShadownetZero t1_j37bddc wrote
Having a brain and using it.
Menacing_Quokka t1_j37bhmv wrote
...so, bullshit.
edit: blocked and sent the "we're concerned about you" message. Yeah this guy is serious.
ShadownetZero t1_j37bjx7 wrote
I can see why you would conflate those two.
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