Hamilton Ave in Red Hook, before and after the construction of the Gowanus Expressway and BQE in the 1940s-50sHEIMDVLLR t1_j65jw7p wrote
Reply to comment by chasepsu in Hamilton Ave in Red Hook, before and after the construction of the Gowanus Expressway and BQE in the 1940s-50s by TheSandPeople
Cyclist will have to step up financially if they think the city will prioritize them over car ownership.
chasepsu t1_j65ric2 wrote
Okay, let’s interrogate this line of thinking a little further. What do you want cyclists to pay for and how would you collect those fees? Are you suggesting tolling bike lanes? Taxes for bicycle purchases? Bike registration? Higher taxes for people who identify as cyclists? Let’s hear some ideas.
HEIMDVLLR t1_j65sm71 wrote
Yes!
That’s exactly what I’m saying. Mention any of those suggestions to cyclist and they get mad. Failing to understand if everyone stopped driving in NYC, the city will look to get the money from somewhere and it’s going to be strap-hangers and cyclist.
chasepsu t1_j65u1ag wrote
All of those ideas are insane and completely ridiculous, and were proposed in jest. You can’t tax someone based on them “identifying as a cyclist” nor would tolling bike lanes work. At the end of the day, a bicycle trip taken in NYC nets the city money (it costs essentially nothing and cyclists end up spending money on those trips), car trips cost the city money. Bicycle infrastructure is astonishing cheap, bicycles are space efficient compared to cars, and bicycles don’t shed rubber dust or emissions the way cars do. Prioritizing cycling (and mass transit, can’t forget that) is a net benefit to the city. Every dollar the city spends to get people out of their cars is a benefit to the city.
HEIMDVLLR t1_j66qvb5 wrote
Here’s just one example of how Amsterdam taxes it’s cyclist…
> Park it right: make sure to park your bike in a designated bike parking section, rack or indoor parking facility as bikes that are not parked in the right areas may be removed and stored in the Bicycle Depot. And to avoid theft, lock your bike to something secure and immovable. > If you have lost your (engraved) bike, you can contact the Fietsdepot to check if it has been recovered by calling 14020 during office hours.
> If they have it, you need to pay a fee of €22.50 to reclaim your bike, or approximately €35 to have it delivered to your home. You will need to show identification and have the key to the bike lock in your possession. Check the Fietsdepot website for more information.
firstWWfantasyleague t1_j6750mv wrote
What? That's if you lose your bike and need to reclaim it, not taxes/fees for normal use.
HEIMDVLLR t1_j675yoz wrote
No! It’s actually for cyclist who illegally park their bikes in undesignated areas. Here’s a little more context from the same link.
> To avoid having your bicycle removed in the city, it is advisable to only park your bike at designated racks or a dedicated parking garage (stalling). Some locations allow you to leave your bike for up to two weeks, and some for up to six weeks. Read the City of Amsterdam's bicycle parking guidelines for further information or view the parking locations on a map.
> If a bike is found or removed due to illegal parking, it will be delivered to the Fietsdepot who can then use the engraving to inform legal owners that their bike has been found or recovered.
This is an example of what is to come, if the city prioritizes bikes over cars. Like I said, the city will start taxing cyclist to recoup the lost income it’s used to receiving from from drivers.
mike_pants t1_j6bga9w wrote
"If the city prioritizes bikes over cars, the infrastructure will start to serve BIKES and not CARS!"
Well... yeah. I think you've finally got it.
chasepsu t1_j678w1w wrote
You do realize that not a single bridge/tunnel that is tolled in NYC sends those funds to the city itself, right? The NYC-NJ crossings (GWB, Lincoln, Holland, Goethals, Bayonne, Outerbridge) are owned by the Port Authority; the Verrazzano, Battery Tunnel, Henry Hudson Bridge, Throgs Neck, Triborough, Midtown Tunnel, Whitestone, Crossbay, and Marine Parkway crossings are owned by the MTA. Neither of those organizations are city-run. We haven’t discussed it directly but I’m positive you’re tacitly referencing Congestion Pricing, which again will be run by the MTA and funds gained from that will fund transit projects.
The city gets essentially zero money from car drivers directly. The city gets the sales tax on gasoline sales in the city, but that’s no different from me buying a Coke at Duane Reade. Registration fees and licensing fees go to the State. There is literally ONE (1) city-applied tax for car owners and it’s only for people who pay for a garage in Manhattan. If you don’t do that, the city gets $0.00 from you per year for having a car in the city outside of tickets, which are, of course, your own damn fault.
(As a final aside, I own a car in Manhattan, and in fact got an ASP ticket today.)
HEIMDVLLR t1_j687tls wrote
> You do realize that not a single bridge/tunnel that is tolled in NYC sends those funds to the city itself, right? The NYC-NJ crossings (GWB, Lincoln, Holland, Goethals, Bayonne, Outerbridge) are owned by the Port Authority; the Verrazzano, Battery Tunnel, Henry Hudson Bridge, Throgs Neck, Triborough, Midtown Tunnel, Whitestone, Crossbay, and Marine Parkway crossings are owned by the MTA. Neither of those organizations are city-run. We haven’t discussed it directly but I’m positive you’re tacitly referencing Congestion Pricing, which again will be run by the MTA and funds gained from that will fund transit projects.
NYC may not receive any funds directly from the tolls. That doesn’t change the fact that the Port Authority and MTA will offload that missing income onto straphangers and cyclist who will be using all bridges. Parking lots will be converted into bike parking lots.
Congestion tolls, is another issue. The MTA is depending on that extra income. Another tax offloaded onto strap hangers, because cyclist will protest if they’re forced to pay the toll.
> The city gets essentially zero money from car drivers directly. The city gets the sales tax on gasoline sales in the city, but that’s no different from me buying a Coke at Duane Reade. Registration fees and licensing fees go to the State. There is literally ONE (1) city-applied tax for car owners and it’s only for people who pay for a garage in Manhattan. If you don’t do that, the city gets $0.00 from you per year for having a car in the city outside of tickets, which are, of course, your own damn fault.
City wide Metered Public Parking connected to the ParkNYC app?
The city would begin to designate when and where cyclist can park and store their bikes. Parking and moving violations will go into affect, which means a way to track cyclist will have to happen. Which will mean state registration.
> (As a final aside, I own a car in Manhattan, and in fact got an ASP ticket today.)
You need to create custom alarms on your phone to remind you when to move your car back and forth. ASP is needed in areas with a lot of foot traffic.
mike_pants t1_j6baa8d wrote
This is quite an impressive tantrum for a trigger as innocuous as "maybe don't drive everywhere."
payeco t1_j66ll6d wrote
The windshield perspective coming from this guy is absolutely bonkers.
payeco t1_j65r1pu wrote
You didn’t answer the question.
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