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Raecino t1_j8169tx wrote

Bernie was right

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ArcherChase t1_j81c2mj wrote

Was, is, and will be again in the future. Listen to his speeches from the early 90's. He predicts a lot of the major issues we have because and lists the reasons for them.

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Raecino t1_j81iagf wrote

Oh yeah I definitely know and have face palmed every time the establishment democrats go with their own, corporate pick. They’re looking to be making the same mistake if Biden runs again.

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scheenermann t1_j890zrj wrote

Yous said it was a mistake to run Biden in 2020 too.

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Raecino t1_j892lqs wrote

Yes I thought that was a mistake too. The election was too close for comfort. Bernie was a better choice.

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scheenermann t1_j8f0ci7 wrote

No offense, but it's easy to make statements that can't be verified. It's alternate history. I can just as easily say you are wrong and Bernie would have been trashed twice by Trump.

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Raecino t1_j8ffifv wrote

Well the polling numbers at the time would’ve proven you wrong. And that’s how I felt at the time and still feel, there’s nothing alternate about my feelings.

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scheenermann t1_j8ixiox wrote

Every Democratic candidate polled over Trump.

It's great to have feelings, but to reiterate, your feelings were wrong in 2020.

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Raecino t1_j8izxy5 wrote

Yes but whose populist style did Trump parrot for himself? Bernie. Bernie was a better candidate against Trump when the Dems ran Clinton. He was a better candidate against Trump when the Dems ran Biden. Running Biden again will be disastrous.

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magicmurph t1_j897yrp wrote

It was. He is by far the worst-case scenario. We're on the brink of global war.

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scheenermann t1_j8ezbcv wrote

With who? Russia? Russia is struggling to fight a local war, so I have no idea why so many gullible Americans think Russia is game for fighting a world war. Russia is just not at that caliber nowadays, this isn't the Soviet Union.

Or are you referring to Chinese balloons?

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babywithahugedick t1_j7zzwfk wrote

Fuck man we almost had it

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bxball t1_j804uj2 wrote

No you didn't. It was never going to happen.

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Glystopher t1_j807ffe wrote

We need to do something about the “powers that be”

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Hoyarugby t1_j80kxqs wrote

the powers that be meaning most Democratic primary voters?

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Tegoto t1_j84ibga wrote

The powers that be meaning capitalism.

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Glystopher t1_j813lo8 wrote

Anyone that stands in the way of progress

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jbphilly t1_j88iwug wrote

If by "it" you mean "not a Trump presidency," then yes, we almost had that. Could have had it if a bunch of butthurt leftists had been more interested in doing what was good for the country and voted, instead of obsessing about posturing and ideological purity. But nope, hating Hillary was more important than hating Trump, and now we have a fascist supermajority on the Supreme Court, taking away more of our rights every year. Great job!

If by "it" you mean "Bernie getting the Democratic nomination," then no, the math was never there. People were kidding themselves.

And I voted for him in both '16 and '20, I just had realistic expectations. And even if by some fluke he had ended up president, he wouldn't have had the ability to usher in a progressive paradise, because as you might have noticed, even moderate policies like Biden's can barely get through Congress. In a country where rural states have massively outsize power in the Senate, you can elect the most far-left president you want, that doesn't get you any closer to Medicare For All or anything else. It sucks but that's the reality we live in.

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New_Stats t1_j815hbj wrote

had what, a fucking cult? Yeah, we know, we watched in horror as it happened. Thank god most came to their senses, look at the fucking #demexit shit, that's Republican propaganda ffs

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soylentcoleslaw t1_j84275y wrote

More democrat primary voters flipped from Clinton to McCain in 2008 than flipped from Bernie to Trump in 2016. That's a fact. The cult is on the right, it was loosely organized and the racism was veiled until Clinton ran one of the shittiest campaigns imaginable and put the rate of destruction of political discourse in the US into warp speed. If there's a problem with voters, it's with the vast swaths of the public that supports progressive ideas but won't vote for them because they're scared that the other 70% of the country that also supports them is too chicken to do likewise.

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Daddie76 t1_j866pxq wrote

> That’s a fact.

Nope.

Exit polls say 84% of Hillary supporters voted for Obama

Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/04/exit.polls/

The poll people use to say more Hillary voter flipped for McCain was an opinion poll done during the primary. (https://news.gallup.com/poll/105691/mccain-vs-obama-28-clinton-backers-mccain.aspx)

Only 74.3% of Bernie's primary voters voted for Hillary.

Here is a table of the results(https://imgur.io/iiyC4Eo), as prepared by 538. As you can see, at least 24% of Bernie's primary voters voted against Hillary in the general election. And I'm sure you all remember this, but enough of them voted for Jill Stein to throw the election in MI, PA, and WI.

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New_Stats t1_j84a5u9 wrote

Clinton and McCain didn't have a rabid following. Trump and Sanders did. You act like I didn't see the crazy populism and the cult of personality with my own eyes.

>If there's a problem with voters

The problem is populism, it's destructive. And this shit right here is exactly why progressives don't do better, the utter contempt for voters you need in order to have your politicians win is always there, always mentioned. It's not just left wing populists it's their elected leaders and campaign staff too. The "I have the only correct politics and how you idiots don't see it is beyond me" is terrifying for non populists because it's the beginning of authoritarianism

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soylentcoleslaw t1_j84eit2 wrote

Both sides! Both sides! I'm too much of a pussy to try to stand up for basic human rights and the bare minimum quality of life for the general public that I'll compare the people advocating for those things with literal fascists. Fuck off. Yes I do have contempt for you fence sitters, you like to think that you're the reasonable ones when your only goal is to just try not to make things worse than they already are and you wonder why elections are so razor thin between you and right wing fascism.

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FormerHoagie t1_j82ta15 wrote

The vast majority of the left were never going to support Sanders. He did a lot to raise awareness, and still does, but most people don’t want radical change. Maybe because nothing works out like you expect it will. People with great jobs and healthcare plans didn’t want the same healthcare as the poors. That’s the crux of if. They also expect the police to protect their neighborhoods but aren’t really concerned about who gets shot in North Philadelphia. Sanders was an affront to White Privilege. If you think your love of his socialist views is going to make a difference, you are wrong. 100% of Republicans and 70% of Democrats are not on that train, or they will jump before it reaches the station. Americans just don’t like to be equal, even when they are poor.

Even if by some miracle he became President. Congress would not have supported his plans. Newsflash, the president really doesn’t have that much power. His agenda wouldn’t have been passed.

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psilosophist t1_j83q7i8 wrote

Who are you defining as “the left” here? Or rather what’s your definition of “left”? Like actual anti capitalists or just run of the mill “socially liberal, economically conservative” liberals?

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FormerHoagie t1_j87b85p wrote

Yep…all in the same tent. I’ve yet to meet an anti-capitalist who wasn’t socially liberal but that’s anecdotal I suppose.

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MRichards18 t1_j849inm wrote

Very in-the-box thinking, just like you’re told.

There was a reason the DNC didn’t want Bernie to win and it wasn’t simply “because he wasn’t going to win.” They were afraid of how he’d shake up the norms and halt their corporate ties. In hindsight, since Hilldawg lost, maybe they should have let him have a go and bad orange man would have never been in office.

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FormerHoagie t1_j87de77 wrote

Clinton won the key primary states. California, New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida and Texas. Clinton was a bad candidate but the numbers were still in her favor and she was most likely to win. Not a DNC conspiracy to prevent Sanders.

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pleeplious t1_j88x4y9 wrote

It most definitely was a conspiracy. Did you read the emails sent from Donna brazielle

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pleeplious t1_j88xi29 wrote

So many predictions. Jesus. Look at Zelensky for example. No one could have predicted this for his presidency. We have absolutely no way to know how a Bernie presidency would play out. What I do know is that Hillary wasn’t the right candidate because she LOST TO DONALD TRUMP. That’s how bad she was.

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magicmurph t1_j899tv7 wrote

Bernie 1000% would have won in a landslide, it's no question. It's not even up for debate, it's fully accepted.

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explorewithdora t1_j82whcn wrote

Most of my Bernie 2016 friends are now defending big pharma and supporting the military industrial complex. The power of digital psyops in the last decade or so will be studied for centuries to come

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ddkelkey t1_j84ejv8 wrote

Does it count as trending when you write a hashtag on the ground?

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AbsentEmpire t1_j89258a wrote

The convention was a fun time, participated in several protests and enjoyed watching even more of them going up and down broad street.

Had a good time laughing at the professional political class fail to understand how to use a SEPTA token, real masters of the universe right there.

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MacKelvey t1_j826poz wrote

good times, good times.

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magicmurph t1_j898ara wrote

We were right not to vote for her. I'll take selfish incompetence over pure evil any day of the week.

But don't worry, the dems are getting their wish. We have Biden now, and the world teeters on the brink of war.

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magicmurph t1_j8993hq wrote

This brings back a lot of wonderful memories. I lived in FDR Park that week, and was at the barricades. I turned down being a delegate, after working for the campaign, but I was able to be on the ground for the whole affair, relaying messages and goings on to the outside.

I met a lot of amazing people, and made friendships that will likely last my lifetime. I sat in a circle with Jill Stein and discussed the speech she had just given. I took selfies with Vermin Supreme and asked him when I was getting my damn pony. I spoke to hundreds, thousands of disillusioned young people, who knew that we were going to get robbed, but turned out in force anyway.

And even though the inevitable happened, and the democrats didn't follow their own rules, we woke an entire generation up to the corruption at every level of the electorate. And while I grow old and weary, I know that the fire is still lit in the hearts of the young. I only hope they can keep it burning.

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Squarg t1_j85h5lk wrote

God I hated Bernie so much back then. Glad I've mellowed out a bit but my god the entitled assholes literally couldn't get over losing.

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Dryheavemorning t1_j7zwsny wrote

A reminder of how stupid "Bernie or Bust" was.

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Hoyarugby t1_j804o5s wrote

So much from the 2016 primary aged terribly. Reddit was foaming at the mouth over the TPP because /r/gaming got convinced that a trade treaty that included provisions intended to curb IP theft in Indonesia would mean that Interpol would come after people torrenting video games

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Hib3rnian t1_j80ravn wrote

I totally lost respect for Bernie when he clearly had the nomination only to rollover and concede to Hillary because she was "due".

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defusted t1_j81kdtb wrote

He definitely didn't have the nomination. What he did was called being a good sport.

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ERPoppop t1_j81zqlx wrote

TIL election headcanon is a thing

what on earth are you talking about?

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adwvn t1_j89g6rq wrote

I think that's the sentiment for most socialists or independents that were willing to compromise and support him. It's also pathetic that he's basically like any pro war democrat , bragging about voting to spend 100 billion of tax payer dollars on Nazis in the most corrupt country in Europe.

He stabbed a huge amount of his supporters in the back. The only people still crazy for him are Social Democrat.

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