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GooFoYouPal t1_j5uyxde wrote

Reply to comment by mortgagepants in Philadelphia juvenile street gang linked to thefts of nearly 100 firearms from Pennsylvania gun stores by TreeMac12

lol, I’ll take my chances…

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mortgagepants t1_j5v0va9 wrote

ok. you ever make a mistake on your taxes? felony tax evasion $100,000 penalty and 5 years in jail.

i'm sure you don't mind taking your chances when it is other people getting locked up, but it probably seems a little different for you huh?

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GooFoYouPal t1_j5v27fu wrote

Bro, ppl that make “mistakes” on their taxes don’t get locked up for 5 years lol, BELIEVE me. I know that doesn’t fit your narrative and all…

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mortgagepants t1_j5v2xwh wrote

lol you just made my point for me. thank you for understanding.

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GooFoYouPal t1_j5v3po4 wrote

Yeah, I get what you’re saying, but cmon man, you’re being pedantic, comparing a mistake on one’s taxes to knowingly participating in a criminal enterprise seeking to flood an already extremely distressed city with even more gun violence. Like, seriously.

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mortgagepants t1_j5v55gd wrote

i was actually referring to stealing cars in this case. but more broadly to giving out the maximum penalty for everything. like some people are gonna get leeway, understanding, exception to the rule, while some 16 year old kid is gonna get locked up for 7 years for a fucking kia.

the gun thing is a serious issue, and whoever is buying or inducing these kids into this needs to really be punished for sure.

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GooFoYouPal t1_j5vj0uf wrote

I realize this might blow your mind, but have you EVER considered that there is no arch-criminal/ Keyser Soze type “buying” or “inducing” them to do shit. They are fully aware that stealing peoples shit at gunpoint is wrong and carries consequences, everywhere except here anyway, and YET, they still, somehow, make the decision to do it anyway.

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mortgagepants t1_j5ymtdp wrote

have you ever considered they're broke, hungry, bored, abused?

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GooFoYouPal t1_j5z8z44 wrote

JFC

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mortgagepants t1_j5zlmbf wrote

i guess not man. every 16 year old in the city who commits a crime is doing it for pure violence and malice.

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Theachillesheel t1_j5xks7f wrote

We just making false equivalences now huh

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mortgagepants t1_j5ync8t wrote

lol no- we're making equal equivalancies. OP said they should get max time for their crimes. i'm just trying to show you giving everyone the maximum might come back to bite them.

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Theachillesheel t1_j5ypfr8 wrote

No because a mistake on your taxes isn’t a crime. It never was. Out of college, I worked for an accounting firm and people made mistakes on their tax returns all the time. All they got was a call or mail from the IRS asking for a correction. You’re exaggerating like shit just to make a point. A mistake on your tax return is not the same (and never will be) the same as theft. You’re literally comparing apples to oranges.

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mortgagepants t1_j5ypvbv wrote

if it is a mistake then fine. how about you paid the baby sitter over $600 this year without a W9? maybe you used the company card to fill your tank before going on vacation?

you're sitting here telling me 16 year old kids should go to jail for grand theft auto for 7 years...okay- are we going to start requesting the maximum penalty for all law breakers all the time? because everybody is fine with maximum sentencing until they make a mistake.

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Theachillesheel t1_j5yrz5f wrote

Now you’re moving goalposts. Here’s how it goes after working with the IRS over a hundred times.. the IRS asks for a simple explanation, an amendment and even offers payment plans. Idk where people get these grand delusions that the IRS are impossible to work with and will smack felonies on you for the smallest things. They’re way more cooperative than the police.

And also I didn’t sit here and tell you anything. Now you’re getting lost in all your arguments and stirring shit with the wrong commenters. I just called you out on a poor comparison. Also, why would I even bother making my case with you anyway? You’re not here to see anyone else’s point of view, you’re just here to keep pushing your own ideas until someone agrees with you as evidenced by your dozens of comments that all say the same thing over and over.

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mortgagepants t1_j5yso7f wrote

> Here’s how it goes after working with the IRS over a hundred times.. the IRS asks for a simple explanation, an amendment and even offers payment plans. Idk where people get these grand delusions that the IRS are impossible to work with and will smack felonies on you for the smallest things. They’re way more cooperative than the police.

this is exactly my point- people want to punish the fuck out of teens who make mistakes, but their own mistakes are "no big deal". but why are they willing to come down so hard on other people? for what reasons do people think their own mistakes are minor and can be negotiated, but when a child makes a mistake, they deserve to get punished as severely as an adult?

the point i'm making isn't about the IRS- the point i'm making is people feel so comfortable throwing the book at other people, but if someone tries to throw the book back, then we should really be looking at extenuating circumstances, exceptions to the rules, "a simple explanation".

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Theachillesheel t1_j5z0x21 wrote

Look man I get your point but it’s still a false equivalence. The IRS is still a federal agency where people are mandated to submit their incomes. Are there people who try to fuck the system here and there? Sure. Are there people who make mistakes? Plenty. Comparing teenage burglary and theft is not equivalent to tax evasion for a couple main reasons you keep glaring over. Filing taxes is mandated and does not put anyone in physical harms way. Teens are not mandated to do shit but go to school. So when a child makes a mistake like you say, are you recognizing that they’re ruining a specific person’s life either physically or mentally? Because the IRS will make you pay your missed taxes.. how will a teenager that sold that car ever be able to payback the full value of that person’s car? Especially if there are things of sentimental value in it. Insurance never replaces full value and now your rates go up for no fucking reason other than because a teenager wanted some fast money without working. So where are their explanations? Can they simply explain to the courts they just made a mistake? Can they undo all of the physical and mental stress put onto the victims with an apology? Nope.

In this thread, you’ve made a point that they’re just teenagers but also throw people under the bus for their choices. You say something along the lines of people having their shitty Kia stolen but you never then look at the person who works low wages and spent years of their life to purchase that car only for a teenager to steal it and sell it off to whole sale purchasers. (Most which are from West Africa, so how can we even punish those illegal buyers? They’re off the radar) I’ve seen multiple people in this thread mention that they get your point of view yet you have not done the same for others. One of these kids can destroy someone’s livelihood but you fail immensely to understand that. This is why policy is so difficult.. because theres people who genuinely get hurt from things like this and can’t recover and then there’s you.. who argue for the teenagers who you never know will even be repeat offenders because they knew they would never be punished for committing crimes. I don’t know if you’ve ever been a victim to a crime like this, but it changes your views once you do experience it.

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