Submitted by just_start_doing_it t3_108crpy in philadelphia
Living-Pineapple-589 t1_j3rn5rh wrote
I'd rather the cops do their job and arrest offenders, the DA prosecute and incarcerate, the mayor and city council give a shit about public safety and the electorate vote better leaders into office...
... than turn Philadelphia into a police state.
(Mandatory 4K? No thanks.)
Electr_O_Purist t1_j3rtzq3 wrote
The thing you’re advocating for is much much more police state-y than the thing you’re against.
Living-Pineapple-589 t1_j3rvrd9 wrote
Basic city functions are now characteristic of a police state? Asking core city officials to do their job is advocating for a police state?
Seems we can't even agree on the basic of what constitutes a society anymore.
No surprise Philly's is in such bad shape these days.
Electr_O_Purist t1_j3rym4l wrote
Guy…a camera is impartial and it only documents what it is set to document. Cops are overwhelmingly racists who profile and use speed stops as excuses to violate people’s 4th amendment rights and further invade their lives.
It’s not like having a traffic cop sitting on the corner makes getting caught speeding just bad luck or something. Cops can make up any reason they want to push you around, and can then use any reason they make up off the top of their head (imagined smells, an interpretation of your demeanor, a ‘suspicion’) as a cover to harass, and it’s clear who they like to harass most.
Cameras don’t harass. Cameras just sit there and document who sped. Emotionlessly. Without bias. People are far safer with cameras on them than cops running around lugging all the baggage that shoved them into a miserable life as a traffic cop.
LFKhael t1_j3ryt06 wrote
Dude was never arguing in good faith the moment he equated getting pulled over for a broken tail light and getting your car searched with "public safety."
Living-Pineapple-589 t1_j3s059m wrote
I never equated getting your car searched due to a broken tail light as "public safety". That's ugly and just ridiculous.
And to imply that I'm simultaneously not in favor of police reform because I have serious concerns about how the recordings of daily life in the city could destroy the privacy of citizens is in and of itself the definition of a bad faith argument.
AbsentEmpire t1_j3st8ne wrote
You have zero right to privacy in the public realm, a legal precedent that's been well established. You don't have a right to drive a car, nor a right to break speed and other traffic laws.
Your equating of automated traffic enforcement as being equal to a police state is just absurd.
Living-Pineapple-589 t1_j3swbqq wrote
Really? It's well established? Because it doesn't seem like it.
A five second Google search shows major opposition across the country to anything from a basic speed camera to something as advanced as facial recognition.
> a legal precedent that's been well established.
Heh, hopefully you're nobody's lawyer. And maybe this issue isn't as black and white as you want it to be.
LFKhael t1_j3s0hod wrote
Just because you claim to be something doesn't mean anything.
Same "as a centrist" bullshit people have been pushing for years.
Nobody is stupid enough to buy that anymore.
Scumandvillany t1_j3sch35 wrote
Objective enforcement is a good way forward that greatly reduces contact with police officers but also enforces laws on the road.
MANDATORY 4K
just_start_doing_it OP t1_j3rpz72 wrote
I don’t disagree but the speed cameras are reducing crashes on a road that has killed people. It is a solution that is actually working. Getting the DA and police to change… good luck!
Scumandvillany t1_j3scbhm wrote
🙄
AbsentEmpire t1_j3sshzh wrote
Fucking lol what a dumb take. Speed cameras are doing literally everything you want the city to do other than elect better leaders. They avoid the problems with a police state that comes from having the police arbitrarily enforcing laws rather than objectively. To get the same effect the cameras have with actual police the city would have to hire thousands of new cops and put them at every corner of the road.
Enforcing traffic laws with cameras isn't 1984, and if you think that they are you have no idea what a real police state looks like.
Living-Pineapple-589 t1_j3sw9ve wrote
The use of speed cameras in public has been banned in multiple jurisdictions across America. Let's not act like this is some obvious slam dunk. "Fucking lol".
>Maine, Mississippi, New Hampshire, New Jersey, South Carolina, Texas, West Virginia and Wisconsin prohibit speed cameras via state law.
Doesn't sound like you speak for everyone. Shit, it sounds like entire states would care to disagree with you.
Mikemo05 t1_j3tfj5f wrote
Yes but let’s not waste time with traffic violations(besides dui and those guys on atvs) and out a focus on theft.
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