flamehead2k1 t1_j6l3df8 wrote
Reply to comment by hdhcnsnd in Third Bicyclist Killed in Philadelphia in January 2023 - Bicycle Coalition of Greater Philadelphia by hdhcnsnd
>We talk plenty in this sub about traditional crime/violence (homicide, assault, robbery, etc), however, you are most likely (by far) to be killed or injured by a vehicle than anything else in this city.
How did you calculate that?
I looked at 2021
Vehicular deaths are 121
https://www.axios.com/local/philadelphia/2022/10/07/philadelphia-traffic-deaths-2021
Homicide was 562
DonQOnIce t1_j6l7ehs wrote
They did say “killed or injured” though. What is the car injury rate for 2021?
flamehead2k1 t1_j6l889g wrote
Injury data is much less reliable than deaths due to a lack of reporting on injuries.
Deaths are a much more reliable statistic because reporting is much higher.
I'm willing to look at data on injuries if you have some but given Homicides are 4x traffic deaths, the injury stats would need to heavily lean to traffic injuries for OP's claim to hold water
soundcoffee t1_j6lf0g3 wrote
I worked for a while at a firm where I had access to PennDOT crash data. Though I don't remember specifics I can say with certainty that for every crash with a death, there are easily tens more with injuries and hundreds more with "suspected injuries" (ie. concussion, whiplash, stuff that an EMT would need to check out to be sure of rather than a bone sticking out). And surprisingly, car/bike and car/pedestrian crashes cause injury way more often than death.
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flamehead2k1 t1_j6l8smx wrote
>For the record, I'm pissed about all those deaths.
Same. I was a bike commuter before the pandemic and have been threatened by drivers for taking up a full lane and have been "doored"
I'm very much for safer driving, riding, walking but the data I've seen doesn't support the OP'S assertion
PM_me_ab_ur_landlord t1_j6l7b8p wrote
I think one could say in the neighborhoods that most redditors live in (not far northwest, north, northeast, west, or southwest), more vehicular homicides occur than violent homicides
flamehead2k1 t1_j6l8biq wrote
I mean people can say whatever they want but that's not what OP Said
PM_me_ab_ur_landlord t1_j6l98em wrote
Okay yeah I can read too. Just saying this is a problem that’s likely more relevant to most people on this subreddit and that’s it’s still a very relevant statistic. I’m not the one who posted the incorrect comparison.
flamehead2k1 t1_j6l9fow wrote
But you're still saying something with absolutely no evidence to back it up.
Hence "people can say anything "
PM_me_ab_ur_landlord t1_j6latfa wrote
Okay look at page 6 in the vision Zero doc with the map of incidents. Admittedly, the fatalities are a bit randomly distributed throughout the city, but looking at serious injuries and fatalities combined, I’d posit that there are more traffic incidents resulting in fatalities or serious injuries than shootings in the whiter areas of Philly.
Source for traffic injuries/fatalities:
Source for shootings:
spurius_tadius t1_j6mgnwy wrote
Vehicle deaths are mostly innocent people going about their day as pedestrians, cyclists, or motorists.
Homicide victims are, mostly, people "in the game" doing stuff they should not be doing.
As long as you're not regularly getting into arguments at 2AM with impulsive armed 20 year olds on the street, you are far more likely to be killed by a negligent driver.
flamehead2k1 t1_j6mhnte wrote
Homicide in the city has recently pivoted to social media beefs vs the drug game
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