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simonperry955 OP t1_itzve57 wrote

Reply to comment by bumharmony in The morality of fairness by simonperry955

>Empathy in the (making the) rules of distributive justice

That would be the "need" part. When morality was evolving, < 2 million years ago, people were interdependent, living and surviving together in small groups. People needed each other to cooperate with to survive, so, they were concerned to see that everyone in the group got enough to eat and was fit and well.

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bumharmony t1_iu3tlgh wrote

We have not lived only to fulfill some ambiguous ”need” for millions of years now.

Also ethical naturalism and nonmoralism have been dead for a long time if they ever even were alive.

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simonperry955 OP t1_iujxebr wrote

>We have not lived only to fulfill some ambiguous ”need” for millions of years now.

We all experience a pressure to thrive and survive, i.e., to do what will cause our inclusive thriving and surviving.

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>ethical naturalism and nonmoralism

I looked it up: I think I'm an ethical non-naturalist. We feel we ought to fulfil ethical norms. I make a descriptive ought.

Morality has to evolve from the interplay between the needs and goals of humans, and their social and physical environment. Both of these are factual and non-moral.

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