[deleted] t1_iz1sxmb wrote
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Zomburai t1_iz1tof2 wrote
I want the movie to end, but I'd sure like to be able to appreciate it after the fact. I'd like to leave the theater, talk about the movie with my friends, get some distance to incorporate it into my understanding, hell, I might even want to see another movie.
I don't want the theater to collapse with me in it as soon as the credits are done rolling.
elementgermanium t1_iz32ltf wrote
At the risk of sounding callous, I don’t care about any “cycles.” In the end, boredom is a problem with many potential solutions- we don’t need death specifically. Even in the worst-case, where we’ve “done everything,” couldn’t we develop a way to modify or suppress our own memories to make experiences “fresh” again?
Arguments like these, where the problem created is so much milder than the one that’s solved, feel like philosophical sour grapes. We are mortal, and without extreme technological advances, we’re going to stay that way, so we come up with excuses as to why it’s ostensibly a good thing, so we don’t have to confront the problem.
ting_bu_dong t1_iz1tlzy wrote
Well, I would think voluntary death wouldn't be a problem.
Like any other machine, you fix it because you want it to keep running.
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ting_bu_dong t1_iz1zwg2 wrote
For the later point, it can be argued that we are already past the point where those in charge get to be in charge for too long.
Jefferson suggested a new constitution every 19 years, for example.
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ting_bu_dong t1_iz2fh0j wrote
We have to find a solution to the issue anyway, already, was supposed to be the takeaway.
Whatever system that stops people from retaining power past a certain age obviously continues past that age.
I'm thinking around 55 or 65, maybe.
StarChild413 t1_iz494t7 wrote
> I think the perfect situation would be like the end of The Good Place, people can stay as long as they want and do whatever but they can leave when they're ready.
I always maintain that that solution was kind of a philosophical betrayal of the rest of the series's thematic setup (I'll be happy to explain if you want)
> But also would that possibly set the world off balance? Imagine being born into a world that the same people have been in charge of for centuries before you were born. Some Altered Carbon stuff. Death is the great equalizer.
then why not just have a world where the only deaths are unnatural as people are euphemism-for-euthanized when their beliefs/ideas are proven wrong so outdated views don't hang around any longer than necessary
vulkanosaure t1_iz33muz wrote
It's a good point, but it really depends how our brain will perceive time. It might be that reducing aging also means enabling with more energy which in turns allow you to stay passionate and curious
Failninjaninja t1_iz23sfs wrote
It’s not an either / or problem. If we could live forever we could also likely opt not to.
StarChild413 t1_iz490hw wrote
yeah but lives don't have one arc you'd have to stretch over longer runtime like movies and I'm sure (if their basic needs were otherwise provided for yada yada yada) a lot of people would want to watch infinite seasons of their favorite shows or at least they're more likely than not to prefer the show get renewed unless not only is the ending satisfying but there's no more places the story could go that the ending leaves hanging
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