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jamminjalepeno t1_j6mtp52 wrote

Unless AI has consciousness, I don't think it will ever be self aware in any meaningful way.

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D_Welch t1_j6n1fqd wrote

Being conscious is being self aware no?

In saying that I'm not so sure as I know a lot of conscious people who are very NOT self aware.

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TheRealBeaker420 t1_j6nxhey wrote

Couldn't any computer which monitors its own state be reasonably described as self-aware? I feel like a more precise definition would incorporate something like sentience.

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D_Welch t1_j6o9j4o wrote

[Couldn't any computer which monitors its own state be reasonably described as self-aware? ] No this is just if/then algorithms to use the phrase loosely. But yes I would agree being self aware requires sentience as we understand it.

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doctorcrimson t1_j6n33w6 wrote

Kind if a looping argument there, one of the indications of consciousness is being self aware and vice versa.

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MarysPoppinCherrys t1_j6n4qkk wrote

But wth is consciousness man? It’s much weirder than just being self aware, like in the big picture. For instance, you feel self aware, like you are experiencing this moment and every moment from a subjective position within your body, but how do you prove that? How do you prove the person next to you on the bus is conscious and not just an automaton perfectly performing the functions of being human? Or that any animal is conscious or not? Or, since we’re here, a machine? The fun thing about consciousness is that the only evidence any of us have for its existence is our own subjective experience for it, which is a pretty small pool. You’re only talking about your biophysical makeup specifically without any real, hard evidence of anything else. You can make assumptions, like everything like me, at least, has consciousness. Or perhaps all mammals do, or perhaps you need a brain of a certain complexity, or you need external senses and a realization of environment to be conscious. Or perhaps conscious isn’t all that important in-and-of itself and is just a biological function that arises from self-preservation, improvement, reflection, objectively seeing yourself as an individual in an environment, etc., but for you and any individual entity meeting a certain qualifying list of criteria, those functions just happen to arise as “experience” within an individual. Perhaps consciousness is just an emergent property of the universe, in which case there is definite potential for AI to experience. Perhaps you must be bless with free will and an understanding of good and bad from a higher plane in order to be conscious. Or maybe it’s all just performative, and anything that acts conscious is conscious. At the end of the day, and probably until long after we have fully mapped the brain and built machines that can act just like us, this will still be a debate because we really just don’t know what this is.

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AUFunmacy OP t1_j6oqon4 wrote

My friend, self awareness comes before consciousness I assure you.

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Magikarpeles t1_j6n4wq4 wrote

You can’t prove or disprove consciousness but it’s probably a continuum. Is an amoeba conscious? Is a spider? A dog? A 2 year old?

Where on this spectrum does AI fall, if at all?

What we’re doing with chatGPT is very similar to how a child learns.

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sammyhats t1_j6nbqqb wrote

What makes you say it’s similar to how a child learns? Is there any evidence for that? Everything I’ve seen indicates that it’s pretty different, but I’m no expert..

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Magikarpeles t1_j6nfvau wrote

I just mean conceptually. You show a child something and then tell them a word, but also a lot of the time the child just gets exposed to a bunch of language and figures out the relationship between the words themselves. On a surface level that’s similar to the guided and unguided training paradigms we use for training AI models.

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bumharmony t1_j6mxw5w wrote

I believe that reality is basically unfathomable. Under real liberty there are no social contracts on anything. It is like the aftermath of the tower of Babel. (Which to me philosophically does not make ethics impossible)

If human is kidnapped to simulation or VR which is like momma’s house: it has its rules one can’t break or ask their justification, then any gadget or machine can seem conscious as long it does not break those rules. It is not the machine that is given consciousness but the world is simplified or dumbed down even.

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