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old_righty t1_je2is04 wrote

I feel like a guard rail or signs would be useful here

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eaglescout1984 t1_je2komd wrote

I feel like that existing at a place of work without so much as a railing is an OSHA violation.

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cmde44 t1_je4r611 wrote

You're correct. Even if she was trespassing she could file a lawsuit if there was an injury. This is an insane safety violation not having wheel stops, rails, etc.

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mrjosemeehan t1_je52o4w wrote

Also do I see massive illegal dumping in a drainage canal?

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-_-_-__-_-_-__-_- t1_je5rf9w wrote

Even if that puddle was somehow a drainage canal, there's nothing in it, so no you don't see that.

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mrjosemeehan t1_je6fldf wrote

That puddle is in the middle of what appears to be a large drainage canal along with what appears to be a large amount of rubble, a pile of sand, and a big pile of wire reels and pallets. The thing about drainage canals is that they aren't always full of water.

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BananaBeanie t1_je6whjp wrote

Seems like normal walled section of the lot, I think it extends up to the building in the background.

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DogmaJones OP t1_je2jaj4 wrote

Maybe. It isn’t a public thoroughfare, so this was trespassing. Also, behind where the photo was taken there is a small hill/grade to get down there.

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Mellopiex t1_je2qqfd wrote

Could she have mistaken it for a landscaping company where you peruse through the yard to get an idea of what you want?

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DogmaJones OP t1_je2rgdh wrote

I can’t see it. All of this is a few hundred feet behind a dense wall of trees. It’s literally the backyard of a golf course.

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Benjiiints t1_je46kc1 wrote

old people get lost

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Neitzi t1_je48k5v wrote

Old people steal shit too

Welcome to the real world

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Benjiiints t1_je4gthl wrote

automatically assuming the worst of people makes the world a terrible place to live; enjoy

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Neitzi t1_je4hoi8 wrote

I'm not assuming either - I'm just going by what OP has said in relation to how you access the area.

They are trespassing but either way this drop is dangerous.

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Coupon_Ninja t1_je2k3eu wrote

Does one have to post “NO TRESPASSING” signs, so it is explicitly known, and then you have the legal right to remove them, point a gun at them, and/or call the cops?

Similar for “Beware of Dog”. If it’s not posted I think the proprietor can be charge with endangerment or something. Like you cannot booby trap your own home, which I think is ridiculous.

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RJFerret t1_je2ppe6 wrote

Different laws in different states, mine, sign or fence.

Booby traps aren't allowed because different categories of entrants, guests expect safety, so do emergency personnel like paramedics/firemen, then postal workers have property access rights too. Trespassers have least, but still can't indiscriminately kill them for no reason.

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upvoatsforall t1_je304uk wrote

Can you kill them for trespassing? That’s a reason.

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RJFerret t1_je31v0v wrote

Of course not, since no threat to your life or property based on trespass alone.

Some states do have the "Castle Doctrine" though.

If someone trespasses, the legal procedure is simply inform them and request they leave (either the way they came, or shortest direction off your property). On municipal property or some reservoir property it may be a misdemeanor for which you may be ticketed if found in violation by an officer.

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upvoatsforall t1_je33z4j wrote

What am I allowed to do if the officer is trespassing to investigate?

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bruthaman t1_je43uq0 wrote

Ask them to leave or provide a warrant. Ask for sergeant to assist. If nothing, report to 911 for more officer support and tell them your civil rights are being violated. Record everything.

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dandroid126 t1_je4ae8s wrote

I remember a case from decades ago where someone was trespassing and intending on robbing an old woman, and then slipped on ice on her property and ended up in the hospital. They successfully sued the old woman for not maintaining her property.

Obligatory IANAL, so I don't know the intricacies here or of the situations are comparable. I also don't remember the details of this case. Would love to hear from someone more knowledgeable than me on this.

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cmde44 t1_je4s9us wrote

Useful, legally required, same thing.

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