February averaged 12 degrees above normal and set 3 record highsSubmitted by physicallyatherapist t3_11briq0 in pittsburgh
JuliaX1984 t1_ja1ckgh wrote
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Are said scientists all living their lives as if it's a genuine threat (eating vegan, no driving or flying, no heat or electricty from fossil fuels, no single use products...)? Because if you have personally done the experiments that prove to you that it's true, the only logical response is to want to stop contributing to the problem in any way. As soon as I know their discovery has made all scientists who have made said discovery change their lifestyle to limit emissions as much as possible, I will believe they believe it's an urgent problem and thus believe it's an urgent problem myself.
physicallyatherapist OP t1_ja1eif4 wrote
Educate yourself. This is a problem that needs major policy change to reverse action. It's not as simple as not using single use products. The average person can do things to help as much as they can, but it's not enough without major structural changes. Saying "fine by me" and then downplaying the issue as just "weather patterns" is just pure ignorance
JuliaX1984 t1_ja1m7rg wrote
Rephrase: I'll live my life exactly as the scientists who discovered this do and pay the same amount of attention to my use of modern technology and inventions as they do.
physicallyatherapist OP t1_ja1qstr wrote
Oh are you protesting for climate change so much you're getting arrested for it? Writing to your congressmen? Suggesting policy changes? On top of all of those changes? Only voting Democrat since they're the only ones pushing for policy changes? If not then stfu
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/10/us/private-jets-climate-protests-airport.html
JuliaX1984 t1_ja1rj95 wrote
I'm pretty sure any wealthy politician you vote for on either side uses more fossil fuels than I do, and electing them to office and ensuring their salary to keep spending on limos, flights, and steak dinners just contributes to climate change. If they believe in such policy changes, why wouldn't they currently live their life the way said policies say everyone should? They're free to eat vegan, bike everywhere, and not go to Starbucks under current policy.
I'm a legal secretary. You don't want to know how many trees every single legal case kills, no matter how small.
physicallyatherapist OP t1_ja1vi8v wrote
No. This isn't a "both sides" thing. Only one political party actually pushes to pass policy to improve the environment, tax the rich, and push for carbon taxes while the other side tries to prevent it. Maybe you should try to do your part like the scientists. Rather than pretend this isn't an issue.
JuliaX1984 t1_ja1yj3v wrote
Policies for you and me to follow, not for them to follow. Unless the politician you vote for already eats vegan, never drives or flies, never uses plastic or air conditioning or too much heat or any of the other things climate policies are designed to restrict, they have no real desire to fix anything, just to be popular. Unless they walk the walk, you're not voting for someone who sincerely cares about fixing a problem they see as urgent.
physicallyatherapist OP t1_ja349ql wrote
Again, educate yourself. Major structural changes with carbon taxes, incentives and expanding green energy, and making it easier to switch to green energy with policy is 1000x more impactful than stuff like never using plastic. Stop making excuses for your own actions and laziness. "Hrr drr I'm not going to improve anything myself unless everyone else does"
JuliaX1984 t1_ja35esv wrote
Then if people are free to use all the plastic and emissions they want because it's not significantly harmful, what was the point of all this? How are people selfish if their choices aren't even impacting others anyway? I'm sorry, but logically, an action like flying in a plane can't be both harmful when you do it but worthless when you don't do it.
physicallyatherapist OP t1_ja3edto wrote
I've already said that those things can be improved and people CAN do their part but without policy changes (like banning single use plastic or carbon taxes) then average people or corporations aren't going to be incentivized to do it. You need major policy changes alongside personal improvement. You're trying to make excuses for your own laziness and somehow think that the 535 people in federal Congress are the ones that are doing all of the polluting or aren't doing things too (without actually backing up those claims in any way). Since Trump has done tax fraud does that mean you should do it too? You do what is best for society and the future, not use moronic and childish "logic" of.. well they aren't doing it so why should I? Again, if you aren't voting Democrat, aren't actually doing the work of holding those same politicians accountable with protesting, and aren't spreading awareness of what is happening rather than "fine with me" BS attitude then you really need to stfu for real because you're part of the larger problem of pretending there isn't an issue and not doing anything yourself to help fix it
JuliaX1984 t1_ja3xi31 wrote
If someone told me, "Don't drink that! I've tested it and found that it's poisonous!" and then proceeded to drink it themselves, I wouldn't find their warning credible.
physicallyatherapist OP t1_ja3zu56 wrote
You're making up hypothetical scenarios as an excuse for your laziness. You have no idea of how every single politician lives their lives and you're basing your actions off of them for climate but I guarantee you don't base any other decision on that.
Lord_oftheTrons t1_ja30m04 wrote
Screw the future generations because you have some arbitrary criteria to leave a better world for a future generations.
JuliaX1984 t1_ja31sdv wrote
(If it was better, people wouldn't need laws to force them to use solar panels, eat vegan, or forgo plastic.)
If the people pushing for policy changes really believed they were necessary for future generations, they would live their lives the way they want everyone else to. They don't, so they obviously don't believe we're screwing future generations. If the people who have studied it and people who advocate for laws based on it don't live like emissions generated by civilization are actually dooming future generations, I truly have no idea why anyone thinks changing how they live is necessary for future generations. There's no indication people who study it or advocate for laws based on it actually treat it as a serious threat and adjust how they live accordingly (if they do, they better share it and have it verified). They repeatedly say it's a serious threat to future generations, but unless such knowledge has motivated them to change their ways, I honestly don't get why people think they sincerely believe it or that there's a genuine threat.
Lord_oftheTrons t1_ja33pdl wrote
Are you aware of the massive subsidies we have been giving fossil fuels for decades? That is precisely the policy change that is needed.
The point of that comic went straight over your head. By your logic we should go back to the days of horribly polluted air and waters in Pittsburgh because why should we have to change for future generations. Very selfish and your comments just reinforce it. Apparently you won't feel a need to change until every scientist in the world rides a bike and eats vegetables so the bar is so high for you there's no point in arguing.
JuliaX1984 t1_ja34gxu wrote
I'm anti-subsidies, but end them because it's unfair. Actually, if people really want them gone, they could argue they should go because they're unfair simce fearmongering hasn't worked and get more people on their side. But it's apparently not urgent enough to try to find a different tactic.
If I believed eating vegan and never using plastic or air conditioning was necessary to help future generations, I would do it. But none of the people saying we should act like we should, so I don't get why anyone takes the claims of danger seriously. I truly can't conclude I'm hurting anyone when the people saying I am do the same things. It's not unreasonable to assume people who genuinely believe that actions are evil or dangerous won't do them.
Lord_oftheTrons t1_ja363qa wrote
I would agree there are plenty of celebrities preaching about things like climate change that are massive hypocrites and emit more CO2 in a week than I do in my life. However I think you have a weird view of who these scientists are. They aren't billionaires, they're everyday people for the most part and are concerned when their expertise shows worrying predictions of the future.
Creating peer reviewed papers that warm of climate change and its impacts isn't fear mongering, it is their job. What the media and people do with it is fear mongering but science isnt. I think you vastly overestimate the influence scientists have on things like public policy. Lobbyists for companies have orders of magnitude more influence on policy across every industry than the people doing research.
physicallyatherapist OP t1_ja9h7ya wrote
Jesus you're an idiot. There are people that are literally changing how they live like going vegan, not driving, and using less plastic. You just don't know any so you think no one else is doing it. You just keep making up scenarios as excuses.
JuliaX1984 t1_ja9nmjp wrote
So? Individual choices don't make a difference, right?
physicallyatherapist OP t1_jaaitiv wrote
They do make a difference and I wrote that before. I'm glad you at least realize your idiocy
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