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JAK3CAL t1_itszgif wrote

Hey, our wedding venue stole our money right when Covid was exploding and they weren’t allowed to host our wedding. We sued in small claims. Won. They appealed. We won again. Then the sheriff couldn’t find them. They will only make three attempts to contact. If they don’t answer the door, they walk away. End of story.

I spent exorbitant amounts of time, effort, and money. At the end of the day, I just spent my own money to dig a deeper financial hole, recouped nothing, and won a moral victory. Honestly… if they are starting to fight it might not be worth it. This states laws are absolutely whack in this regard.

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Da-OG_karma2000 OP t1_iturgie wrote

Thanks for sharing your story. I sort of have a card up my sleeve. I reached out to a Pittsburgh newspaper investigations editor when I first started dealing with this. Another tenant & friend of mine also got stiffed upon move-out. As did my downstairs neighbor. No returned deposit, no itemized list of deductions, nada. She let it go, didn't bother to fight after living there 7 years. The other guy did, and his story would make you cringe. It did sour me, but after researching this company & seeing pages and pages of court records with the same story, it charged me up. The paper was doing stories at the time about corrupt landlords & decrepit buildings, & I saw an opportunity. The editor called me the day after I emailed him and we talked for 30 minutes. He was interested, but then the bridge collapsed & their focus diverted. I am hopeful that he will pick it back up & include this company in their next article, as he said he wanted to, particularly since they were evicting tenants for whom their rent was paid by COVID protections for several months, likely illegally. For them to get away with this for more than a decade, seemingly unchecked, something is amiss, & 2 of my former building neighbors are on board with me. Honestly I am exhausted by it & wanted to say to hell with it last night as I was gathering paperwork. What's also motivating me is why my attorney at the time said to me. She was also a real estate agent w/30 years in the business. After reading my lease she said it was one of the 3 worst leases she had ever seen. That it contained terms already struck down by the Supreme Court, including a Confession of Judgement, which is only legal in commercial leases. It says that if I didn't pay rent that they could come into my apartment & confiscate anything they wanted, & that I forfeited my right to object. Lawyer told me this is in commercial leases for people who start a new business, buy a bunch of equipment to run it, and then fail. Landlord can recoup their money by taking said equipment. She recommended I report them to HUD. The reason I left in the first place was they retro billed me for rent -- my lease ended at the end of June, and unlike after my first year there, they did not send me a lease renewal letter. So I paid my July rent as usual. They cashed the check around the 8th. Then on the 27th or 28th I get their lease renewal letter. It says they are increasing my rent by $50/month, and the increase starts July 1st -- they mailed this the day before I got it, so 7/27. It states that I am delinquent by $50 and must pay it immediately before they will even extend my lease. Mind you -- I already paid my June rent in full, & they had cashed my check 3 weeks prior. So now I supposedly owe them $50 for June, plus an additional $50 for July, which is due in 4 or 5 days. This is when I hire the attorney who strongly advises me not to re-sign this lease. She tells me to pay my previously agreed upon rent and to decline to sign the new lease. They send me a second notice a week or so later, this time threatening legal action if I don't pay them the extra $50 for the previous month. I am a mature college graduate & professional with a fair amount legal knowledge. If they think they can pull one over on me, imagine what they are doing to their other tenants? The idea shook me. I cannot in good conscience let it go.

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JAK3CAL t1_itux4pa wrote

I understand, it’s exactly why I pursued mine. I knew, and everyone knew, they absolutely illegally violated their own contract and stole thousands.

My point being, after almost two years!! Worth of spending time in court, appeals, writing documents, paying fees, driving downtown, taking off from work… I spent a lot of my own money and time to dig a deeper hole and at the end of the day the state really makes no effort to recoup your money. Even the sheriffs clerk was like… oh honey, you have wasted your own time. This moneys never coming back to you. The sheriff knocks on their door and if they simply refuse to answer… they don’t collect. After three attempts they close the case. I’m just warning you, I really in hindsight think the moral victory probably wasn’t worth the stress and effort. We had newspaper interest too, it was a big story when this venue closed and left tons of couples out in the cold plus stole everyone’s money. Nothing happened other then a brief 6 o clock news coverage

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AnewENTity t1_itvhpfl wrote

This is not true you now have a judgement and need to pursue putting a lien on any property the business owns. There are ways to go about this but like you said you might be financially drained.

This is why lawsuits are for the rich

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JAK3CAL t1_itvhueu wrote

They filed bankruptcy and fled the state. The bank repossessed their property

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AnewENTity t1_itvhzh1 wrote

Ok you’re right then you’re fucked…

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JAK3CAL t1_itvmolc wrote

Yup. Well I won. Everyone knows I won. I feel good because I represented myself, read law, wrote documents, presented my case. But would I repeat or advise others to do the same, knowing that this could occur.

I would not 😊

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Da-OG_karma2000 OP t1_itvrrun wrote

Yes, the magistrate's office did mention something like that. "Execute on site" with the Sheriff. But records show that this company does pay -- but only after the court has garnished their bank account. I am willing to go the distance -- for now. If it gets too exhausting I may throw in the towel. Time will tell.

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Beginning-Yak-911 t1_iu1y9y9 wrote

Do you realize the whole episode only exists in your mind? It's just a perception of what you were going to pay for staying in that place, the only physical reality is that someone can file an eviction form at any time. You could have just talked the whole thing up to a little bit more a month than what you thought it was... There's no such thing as a security deposit and no such thing as getting it back either.

Everything your attorney told you was wrong, nobody can advise you to pay one mental number versus another mental. If it was me, I'd have quit paying 2 months before I was going to leave anyway. All they can do is bring eviction, only now the shoe is on the other foot. Now it's you bringing notice of appeal, and paying your rent into the Common Pleas Court as supersedeas bond to keep possession.

You're in this situation because of the backwards mindset of attorneys, who are always going the wrong way up a one-way street. They are illiterate, irrational, and antimathematic

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Beginning-Yak-911 t1_iu1xpj5 wrote

The states law is similar to every other state and it's for the protection of everybody. There's basically no such thing as "small claims court", unless you can reach something which is very specific and fixed in place. I don't know why you'd even assume there was anything for the sheriff to attach on your judgment.

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JAK3CAL t1_iu2650q wrote

Probably because I’m a regular citizen representing himself after his wedding venue stole literally thousands of dollars in blatant violation of their own terms of service. There is a system, small claims, set up to handle these sorts of occurrences. Having never dealt with any legal issues, why would one assume that the system this is established for is basically a fraud.

So ya, I learned a painful lesson asswipe. I’m trying to help others who might go down the same road. It’s better to just go rock them in face then try to follow conventional paths

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Beginning-Yak-911 t1_iu27pcy wrote

>why would one assume that the system this is established for is basically a fraud

Because it's Pennsylvania

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