Are you mad that some people have a skill set that allows them to work from home?

I do both, but I’m just referencing either work (whether it is at home or not) or not do anything and stay at home. Just didn’t want to write all that in the vote line.

"no one wants to work anymore!!!!"

No one ever did that's why they have to pay you for it. Work is a necessity for all but a few to meet their daily or future needs that's it. Even people who think saying they work a 60 hour week is a flex won't do their current job for free if they didn't need money.

Granted I'm sure there are people who work in a field they love but for most people they didn't grow up with dreams and aspirations of being an Accounts Receivable Specialist, or Contact Center Manager growing up.

Dumb question but how do we support ourselves staying at home?

I don't think anybody wants to work voluntarily.

Why not both. #WFHLife.

own property. Grow own food. Farmer Market to sell excess to cover annual land taxes. Solar/Hydro electric sources. A well instead of a water connection. That there would remove all your key expenses. Other than that, its just chillin.

Edit: literally nothing I said is out of reach. It's all fairly doable, but with people wanting to have standards, live in cute areas, near city centers, white picket fences, and all that stuff, a reminder that each of those ideals is an implied cost beyond fundamental needs of shelter, food, water, electric. All of which can be planned and figured out, most of which have an upfront cost/effort and little maintenance thereafter.

>Grow own food. Farmer Market to sell excess to cover annual land taxes

Sounds like workin' to me

Any physical movement is work. Sit in a chair like WallE? Not gonna happen. But if you want to be in shape, off the grid, not have to get fucked by charges from people's/Duquesne/income taxes etc, it's not a hard thing. It's just an option, but not necessarily the option.

I stay at home and there is always work to be done. Stay at home is not a lazy indicator. Plenty of people I punch a clock with, that were lazy as hell, and got paid for it.

I think that sounds great but quite amount of cost you got there. First you need a house and a lot of land to grow your own food. Then you also have to make money from selling that food (this is not child's play). Then you need a well with decent water and I guess you can't really make your own electricity and would have to pay for it.

I am not discrediting idea, just saying if it's easy, a lot of people would be doing it already!

I mean, easy is relative, but in this age we as humans have implied costs of sustainment, you need to meet those minimums. Food/shelter/electricity. You can shift around how those needs are met, and augment costs in various ways... But just staying home is being disabled in the eyes of the state which helps offset those above listed needs. Even developing a sugar daddy/momma relationship is a mechanism to offset the above.

Existing has an implied effort.

I like that thought process. If you work towards it from 18, probably can be achieved before 40. But hey, as you said people want to party and travel instead of save and be self-sustainable.

I wanted to vote for pizza erry day too!

For me, I live very close to my office so I consider it an extension of my house. It's a lot more space, I have amenities, enjoy the social aspect, and most importantly I've had several in person collaboration sessions that just wouldn't happen otherwise. I also do work that has to be in that facility.

You realize everything you just described is work, right? lol. "Own Property" is doing a lot of work in there. Are you going to replace the roof yourself when it needs replacing? Fix the sewer yourself when it backs up? Whose going to fix the well when it breaks, you? You have excess food in this scenario?? Have you heard of farming? Its a job lol. Apparently you're also an electrician/engineer in this hypothetical reality if you set up and maintain your own Solar/Hydro electric power. Wild.

i work from home and have no desire to ever return to an office situation.

If you're aiming for that lifestyle, you also aren't looking into suburban communities either. It's more rural, where you can buy land at like 1500 per acre, and as a low barrier for entry a nice 30k trailer to start as it has most simple things. A lot of property in nowhere PA is like 10-100 acre with a trailer on it.

That's something you can accomplish well before you're 30.

Also, I love the negative votes. I tried to be impartial and recognize people have different perspectives. Lol, but it's fake interwebs points so, lol who cares.

Just my 0.02. appreciate the banter friend.

First - I definitely did NOT downvote you despite that I'm a city guy through and through. (Can't live without my coffee shops and restaurants lmao)

But I do think you have a really good point that I myself haven't considered. America is super expensive in a city but if you can live really far, then it's just way cheaper and a lot easier to sustain your life. However, social entertainment is limited and most young people can't live without socializing (IRL not online)

PS: Gonna upvote you here and give you an award for giving me a different perspective.

Existence is work. Driving to get food is work. Cooking it is work. Scrubbing your toilet and vacuuming, work. There are maintenance tasks all of us must do to not wallow in our own filth. There is a price to pay by not having to functionally work, but in your case replacing a roof... Cool, that's a once every 10-15 year task, what are you doing in that other time? Nothing. Maybe sitting by a fire, fishing, reading, walking around the property and enjoying your self-sufficiency.

You don't need to. I liked the discussion.

I enjoy the city as well, and love coffee, but since I work from home and live in the city it's interesting. Generally I sublet my place and go work out of other countries where price to live is good and you have social experiences beyond the our consideration of norm. But as you travel you see vast communities that just exist. They found a way to make it work and have what they want/need generally. It's amazing to observe and see that there are so many trappings we take for granted.

Sure are they living the US middle income lifestyle, no. But that wasn't the base question asked by OP.

WFH, without a doubt.

My job could have been/could be WFH before the pandemic...

I would rather work less. I'm not self motivated enough to stay at home or work from home. I don't mind my job I just wish I had to work less days or hours.

I'm just into my 4th month of retirement. I've underrated staying at home for 48 years.

I mean none of these options really. I work from home, it's great for me because I'm disabled. Eating pizza for dinner every day would fucking suck.