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geneb0322 t1_jdcck2e wrote
Same... It was around 30 years ago but I still remember it too.
lunar_unit t1_jdcfpt4 wrote
This event is reenacted at St Johns church, where it took place, in Church Hill. In fact there's one today at 7pm (tickets required).
https://historicstjohns.ticketspice.com/2023-reenactment-tickets
Cactuscouch757 t1_jdchy1y wrote
allegedly delivered; There is no real proof that this speech ever happened.
lunar_unit t1_jdcj6zb wrote
There is ample historical commentary that says it did happen. But because it was written down 42 years later, what we now know as the speech, may not have been the actual speech that he gave.
>Over forty years after Patrick Henry delivered his speech and eighteen years after his death, biographer [William Wirt](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wirt_(Attorney_General)) published a posthumous reconstruction of the speech in his 1817 work Sketches of the Life and Character of Patrick Henry.[2] This is the version of the speech as it is widely known today and was reconstructed based on the recollections of elderly witnesses many decades later. A scholarly debate persists among colonial historians as to what extent Wirt or others invented parts of the speech including its famous closing words.
>According to Edmund Randolph, the convention sat in profound silence for several minutes after Henry's speech ended. George Mason, who later drafted the Virginia Declaration of Rights, said that the audience's passions were not their own after Henry had addressed them.[7] [Thomas Marshall](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Marshall_(U.S._politician)) told his son John Marshall, who later became Chief Justice of the United States, that the speech was "one of the boldest, vehement, and animated pieces of eloquence that had ever been delivered."[7][8] Edward Carrington, listening by a window, was so affected by the speech that he requested to be buried there, and in "1810, he got his wish."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Give_me_liberty,_or_give_me_death!
fanrva t1_jdcn43c wrote
I did it voluntarily for a “presentation” in 4th grade.
historyarch OP t1_jdcssxv wrote
Sure there is. There were witnesses. There were also other indirect pieces. For example, some Virginia militia who signed up after the speech wrote “Liberty or Death” on their hunting shirts. The speech was discussed indirectly and spoken about by many. One person was so inspired he asked to be buried where he stood to listen to the speech (outside a window of St. John’s Church)-- his wish was granted.
The real controversy is over the text. Henry did not keep copies of his speeches so his first biographer, William Wirt wrote to contemporaries to get their recollections.
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anghiari t1_jdd3o3e wrote
"Give me liberty, or give me death!" is a quotation attributed to American politician and orator Patrick Henry from a speech he made to the Second Virginia Convention on March 23, 1775, at St. John's Church in Richmond, Virginia. So yes, it really happened.
CoffeexCup t1_jdd89x1 wrote
Pics or it didn’t happen
Cactuscouch757 t1_jddrc0q wrote
Ah, witness accounts; more reliable than old faithful.
Sid6po1nt7 t1_jde2lo4 wrote
Took the St John's tour and they pointed out the exact spot where he gave the speech in the church...was pretty neat
historyarch OP t1_jde8mxn wrote
You said the speech may not have occurred at all. If there were witnesses, the speech occurred. I acknowledged that there are questions about the actual text.
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Also, witnesses are sometimes way off, but sometimes are very accurate. It is worth noting that Wirt's account of the Stamp Act Speech received by the same method turned out to be very accurate. It turns out the French sent a spy to America in 1765 to gauge the pulse of the colonists. He happened to be in Williamsburg and wrote down the text of the speech. This report was lost for over 150 years and found in the 1920s.
Maybe the Liberty or Death speech is flawed, but maybe another source will emerge that confirms what was actually said. William Wirt spent 12 years gathering evidence and writing the bio. He seems to have taken great pains to present the evidence faithfully. Other parts of his writing have proven accurate-- and he got some things wrong as happens in every bio.
Wirt was also a highly accomplished lawyer including arguing before the Supreme Court and is still America's longest serving attorney general. He's a credible writer.
what-the-what24 t1_jdfc24y wrote
Given that the TikTok CEO testified in a congressional hearing today, I really wish St John’s Church would have streamed today’s reenactment on TikTok!!!
ChupacabraRVA t1_jdcb330 wrote
I remember having to memorize part of that speech in elementary school lol