Cyber_Dan t1_j91am1m wrote
Planting more trees/bushes/grass in densely populated areas sounds like would do the same thing and have the added benefit of shade, increased oxygen and air quality.
Mickey-the-Luxray t1_j91y6nb wrote
You... You can do both. You can do both those things together.
jackzander t1_j94qrtm wrote
Luckily, we're doing neither!
mangotrees777 t1_j95uj9p wrote
Hold up. Wait until we finish arguing before we attempt either one.
CinephileJeff t1_j94x978 wrote
The suburbs would beg to differ
Rickshmitt t1_j91bug1 wrote
Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of science!
Wrathwilde t1_j94rlr3 wrote
They call me…….. Tim?
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squanchingonreddit t1_j92aoj7 wrote
That will rot eventually and re-release the CO² this is sequestration of carbon over the long term.
EnkiduOdinson t1_j954mw3 wrote
Build houses out of them and plant more trees in their stead. Rinse and repeat. According to climate scientist Hans Joachim Schellnhuber we have to build 2 billion residential spaces (be it houses or flats) from wood to get CO2 levels down to where they should be
squanchingonreddit t1_j96e3rk wrote
Less if we built more mass timber buildings. They're real neat.
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CompromisedCEO t1_j92a6ix wrote
That's not as easy as it sounds.
Significance work is needed for even 1 tree to survive in a dense urban environment. You can't just stick them in the ground because they won't survive.
[deleted] t1_j92ew0x wrote
Nah the amount of vegetation required would be way more than could fit to do anything significant. Plants don't use that much CO2, and I don't think CO2 levels change the structural properties of the plants, it just accelerates growth rate in general.
TheGreatDalmuti1 t1_j92iyow wrote
Where do you think they find the carbon they need to grow?
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fleebleganger t1_j92uo06 wrote
A mature oak tree weighs somewhere around 2,000 tons.
The average American generates 16 tons of carbon a year. That’s 125 years of emissions covered.
So each tree does quite a bit
[deleted] t1_j92zbbe wrote
Most of that weight is not carbon though, it's mostly water. And I don't know how you think you're going to get mature oak trees in urban densely populated areas anytime soon.
rebregnagol t1_j9369ny wrote
As much as 50% of a tree is carbon.
Dry-Conference4530 t1_j93knyt wrote
Do you know how long it takes to grow an oak tree?
SuperGameTheory t1_j94dow9 wrote
Who cares? It's solar-powered CO2 sequestration.
danielravennest t1_j97er4h wrote
> it's mostly water.
jackzander t1_j94r9bs wrote
A mature oak tree does not weigh 4,000,000 pounds.
You fucked up some math.
bernyzilla t1_j96s0nq wrote
Thank you. 2,000 tones is an insane amount. A quick Google search puts the weight closer to 20,000 pounds or ten tons.
Which will dramatically change the calculus for carbon sequestration. Also remember that this only works for new trees, and that mature forests release as much carbon as they absorb.
Still, I am all for planning as much trees as we can possibly get away with. Climate change is an emergency and we should be doing everything possible to mitigate it.
danielravennest t1_j97fst3 wrote
Within reason, the individual tree weight doesn't matter. A "closed canopy" is when you look up in a forest and can't see any sky, just leaves and branches. That means all the available sunlight is being used by leaves.
So for a given soil and climate, a closed canopy maximizes the CO2 capture in tons per acre/hectare. If you want to produce durable wood products and store the carbon, you generally don't want a lot of little skinny trees. You want the trunks to be big enough to get useful pieces out of it.
iinavpov t1_j95aho0 wrote
More like 4 tonnes.
Also takes a century to grow.
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danielravennest t1_j97e8rr wrote
That's a completely wrong number. An 80 foot red oak grown in a forest is about 10 tons. That assumes it is 2 feet in diameter at the base.
Source: former tree farmer, and now woodworker "from the tree". That means I harvest a tree, get it cut into lumber, and dry it. I know how much those logs weigh.
The biggest log I ever dealt with was a 3 feet in diameter x 20 ft long oak, which was 5 tons. That was a yard oak, rather than a forest oak. Lack of competition allowed big side branches and therefore a fat trunk.
A freshly cut southern red oak is about 42 pounds per cubic foot oven dry weight, and an equal amount of water when freshly cut. "Dried" wood contains 6-14% moisture in addition to the dry weight. Wood is porous, and exchanges moisture with air that has any humidity in it. So in practice the weight in a finished product is about 46 pounds per cubic foot.
DigiTrailz t1_j948qcu wrote
Its not like once one new idea is made the other is shot, dumped in the ocean, and said to have "gone on life finding journey". You can two ideas and do them together or even independently.
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alizenweed t1_j91rt7l wrote
Tress die and then decompose. CO2 goes back to atmosphere.
DrSmirnoffe t1_j91ty5b wrote
But do you know what they also do?
They spread their seeds and make more trees. Those trees then soak up more CO2, which goes into making more wood and tree-seeds. Gee, it's almost like a cycle! A CARBON cycle!
sillypicture t1_j924ogg wrote
Reddit needs to remember that microbes in the ocean store several orders of magnitude more carbon and also generate that much more oxygen than all the trees.
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luthiz t1_j91y08u wrote
Yeah, almost...
ExtantPlant t1_j91yy46 wrote
You're on the wrong sub to be posting that nonsense. First of all, the root system of a tree is usually about as big as the tree is above ground. The carbon stored there should mostly remain in the soil. Second, "used in construction" would store that carbon semi-permanently. Third, even if they were left to decompose, that's not how the decomposition process works at all.
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squanchingonreddit t1_j92axo6 wrote
As someone with a degree in forestry, you're right. Sorry they're down dootin.
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