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nanny2359 t1_ixqldkr wrote

Reply to comment by croninsiglos in Pregnant women exposed to alcohol are at a significantly greater risk of developing post-partum depression, meta-analysis shows. by Respawan

The studies aren't limited to people who consume excessive amounts of alcohol. It's any amount, which indicates the issue is alcohol not alcohol abuse.

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croninsiglos t1_ixqq9ta wrote

They do include those that drink socially, nothing to do with excess, and those individuals then lack those same social lives after giving birth (for obvious reasons).

I guess the point is that there are tons of external factors at play and this is only showing a correlation but not causation.

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darkswanjewelry t1_ixqu6xg wrote

Or there could be different explanations for different sub-cohorts. People predisposed to depressive symptoms might also be in a group of those that rely on moderate drinking for emotional regulation, AND a possibly separate group of people may have a kind of extraverted social life where social drinking is commonplace, and thus after birth suffer a significant lifestyle change which may trigger depressive simptomatology.

I'd hazard a guess it's easier to adapt to the "4th trimester" if one is a settled homebody vs if one is a party-hard person. The party-hard person may also experience dwindling of their support network because their old social circle is less baby-friendly, etc.

Like this is just an expected cluster of co-occuring phenomena with likely catch-22 mechanisms involved; of course all of this correlates.

It also most likely does not mean "ditch all the alcohol during pregnancy, keep behaving the same otherwise, and you're significantly reducing your chances of post-partum depression", which would be the meat of it if it did, but.

These papers always pretend like they're saying something more useful or meaningful than they are. There's no real harm reduction plan or initiative you could make off of this finding that's not already covered by common sense and/or FASD initiatives.

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nanny2359 t1_ixqqtaz wrote

It's still a very valid point. As someone who's more likely to develop PPD, this is a strong enough correlation for me to avoid alcohol during pregnancy further than is safe for the fetus.

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arxaquila t1_ixrv4px wrote

Don’t get what you’re saying. Is there a doublespeak thesaurus you can refer me too. I thought since I was at the 99th percentile of college grads in terms of verbals that I could gather what you meant but instead find myself struggling. Maybe, not being in the social sciences industry is a handicap I can’t overcome but if it meant I spoke or wrote like that no thank you.

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