Rapscallious1 t1_j4quvd0 wrote
Reply to comment by Test19s in Bonobos, unlike humans, are more interested in the emotions of strangers than acquaintances by giuliomagnifico
I think it’s hard to rule out that being a major factor that might be unrealistic for Humans situation but it is definitely interesting how Bonobos are an actual make love not war society.
cringy_flinchy t1_j4x6j43 wrote
Bonobos are not pacifists. They sound less violent because they're often contrasted with warmongering chimpanzees and bonobo's unique way of resolving conflict is mentioned a lot more than their more hostile ways of doing so.
>While bonobos are more peaceful than chimpanzees, it is not true that they are unaggressive. In the wild, among males, bonobos are half as aggressive as chimpanzees, while female bonobos are more aggressive than female chimpanzees. Both bonobos and chimpanzees exhibit physical aggression more than 100 times as often as humans do. Although referred to as peaceful, bonobo aggression is not restricted to each other, and humans have also been attacked by bonobos, and suffered serious, albeit non-fatal, injuries.
Rapscallious1 t1_j4x8n26 wrote
The next line in Wikipedia is
Bonobos are far less violent than chimpanzees, though, as lethal aggression is essentially nonexistent among bonobos while being not infrequent among chimpanzees.
I did not examine any of the primary sources but a lot of these statements are a little vague and potentially open to misinterpretation since they likely have specific relevance only.
Test19s t1_j4qw2kb wrote
Yeah, and unfortunately STDs are a much bigger deal among us than them (although that might be a numbers issue). There were years during the AIDS pandemic that more people died from making love than making war iirc.
2legittoquit t1_j4rdr4w wrote
Post a link for that, where more people died from AIDS than war.
Test19s t1_j4rew7r wrote
War deaths per year: https://ourworldindata.org/war-and-peace
GrueneBuche t1_j4rq0vt wrote
#In 2020 690 000 aids related deaths according to the pdf from unaids.
49 000 deaths due to state based conflicts according to the graph on ourworldindata.
other sources
Ourworldindata also has a page on HIV/AIDS which mentions 890 000 deaths in 2019.
Rapscallious1 t1_j4sxlko wrote
I do think people tend to think too broadly about evolutionary factors. It’s likely a very small amount of factors that drive the changes. Current humans definitely seem to be most susceptible to health issues so that’s probably a huge driver in general. It may not always seem that way but things are generally peaceful enough to procreate. Unfortunately being smart ceased to be a key factor a few society models ago also.
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