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cosmoboy t1_j4q1cp3 wrote

Maybe we should get ahead of this and just hand them the planet now.

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Test19s t1_j4qqjjq wrote

Hopefully it’s possible to have an intelligent, populous species that still displays those personality improvements - either via education, mating for xenophilia, or more ethically controversial approaches.

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Crezelle t1_j4sb3vu wrote

Bonobo society is run by a council of middle aged and older females that will have sex with the females of other packs as a way to establish friendliness. Image every summit being a milf orgy

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Test19s t1_j4sbw41 wrote

Relatively peaceful lesbian great apes with little to no concept of in-group? Sounds awesome!

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Crezelle t1_j4sc5kf wrote

Peace treaties involving omnisexual orgies

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yazzy1233 t1_j4qke7d wrote

If humans were like this we would probably be less likely to go to war. Humans are so quick to break up into tribes and develop an us vs them mindset

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2legittoquit t1_j4rdni1 wrote

Bonobos solve a lot of their problems by banging each other. If only the human world were so simple.

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Test19s t1_j4sc47q wrote

24 hours after humans adopt bonobo ethics:

“Why does it hurt when I use the bathroom?”

STDs would have to suck in a species with a human-like population.

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2legittoquit t1_j4t2r3g wrote

Stds exist already. Also condoms are a things. If stds stopped people from having sex we would have died out a long time ago. ALSO, if our entire culture revolved around sex as means of problem solving we would have as much prophylactic technology as we currently have military technology.

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Specialist_Carrot_48 t1_j4tw0c6 wrote

Im just gonna go ahead and believe that there's an alien species out there somehow that is super sexy on it's super sexy planet having all kinds of super sex and there are no social problems

Wouldn't that be cool

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Test19s t1_j4qreuw wrote

Hopefully we can replicate some of this behavior either among ourselves or in the AI we create, unless the bonobo is a unique situation due to isolation and abundant food supplies.

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Rapscallious1 t1_j4quvd0 wrote

I think it’s hard to rule out that being a major factor that might be unrealistic for Humans situation but it is definitely interesting how Bonobos are an actual make love not war society.

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cringy_flinchy t1_j4x6j43 wrote

Bonobos are not pacifists. They sound less violent because they're often contrasted with warmongering chimpanzees and bonobo's unique way of resolving conflict is mentioned a lot more than their more hostile ways of doing so.

>While bonobos are more peaceful than chimpanzees, it is not true that they are unaggressive. In the wild, among males, bonobos are half as aggressive as chimpanzees, while female bonobos are more aggressive than female chimpanzees. Both bonobos and chimpanzees exhibit physical aggression more than 100 times as often as humans do. Although referred to as peaceful, bonobo aggression is not restricted to each other, and humans have also been attacked by bonobos, and suffered serious, albeit non-fatal, injuries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo#Peacefulness

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Rapscallious1 t1_j4x8n26 wrote

The next line in Wikipedia is

Bonobos are far less violent than chimpanzees, though, as lethal aggression is essentially nonexistent among bonobos while being not infrequent among chimpanzees.

I did not examine any of the primary sources but a lot of these statements are a little vague and potentially open to misinterpretation since they likely have specific relevance only.

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Test19s t1_j4qw2kb wrote

Yeah, and unfortunately STDs are a much bigger deal among us than them (although that might be a numbers issue). There were years during the AIDS pandemic that more people died from making love than making war iirc.

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2legittoquit t1_j4rdr4w wrote

Post a link for that, where more people died from AIDS than war.

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Test19s t1_j4rew7r wrote

War deaths per year: https://ourworldindata.org/war-and-peace

AIDS: https://www.unaids.org/en/resources/fact-sheet

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GrueneBuche t1_j4rq0vt wrote

#In 2020 690 000 aids related deaths according to the pdf from unaids.

49 000 deaths due to state based conflicts according to the graph on ourworldindata.

other sources

Ourworldindata also has a page on HIV/AIDS which mentions 890 000 deaths in 2019.

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Rapscallious1 t1_j4sxlko wrote

I do think people tend to think too broadly about evolutionary factors. It’s likely a very small amount of factors that drive the changes. Current humans definitely seem to be most susceptible to health issues so that’s probably a huge driver in general. It may not always seem that way but things are generally peaceful enough to procreate. Unfortunately being smart ceased to be a key factor a few society models ago also.

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D20Jawbreaker t1_j4re8ke wrote

Didn’t AI become fascist in like 3 days? What am I thinking of, anyone?

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tdgros t1_j4rlund wrote

Maybe you're thinking of Tay, that was closed after 16h of use only, in 2016

No of course not it did not turn fascist, but you could make it say stupid things easily, and people did just that.

It's a chatbot, not an actual being capable of thinking.

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D20Jawbreaker t1_j4tmvcf wrote

Oh I thought it was an actual AI Thank you for getting back to me, appreciate the detail.

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Niccin t1_j4rpi7l wrote

My ex is like this. She can be horrible to people close to her but will bend over backwards to please anybody she doesn't know.

She also has an interest in bonobos. Maybe they're her people?

Edit: typo

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cabalavatar t1_j4sdke9 wrote

Narcissists can present this way. They privately take advantage of and abuse people who (they think) won't leave, but buddy up to other people to win them over, always looking for more ego supply to groom.

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Niccin t1_j4smm0p wrote

That actually sums up the situation fairly well, scarily enough. After a while it felt to me that she saw people more as resources than anything else.

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cabalavatar t1_j4soe5a wrote

Yeeaahh, that's exactly how narcs think. They don't see other people. They see toys, puppets, and sources of admiration for their egos. Relationships are transactional and shallow even tho at the start the narcs will pretend that they're not.

I'm glad that this person is your ex. Narcs are pretty much evil.

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GavrielBA t1_j4rq728 wrote

That's the description of me to the tee, as well.

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kjbaran t1_j4qaaqs wrote

This is how tribes and genetic diversity are established.

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staciemosier t1_j4ueetw wrote

Thank you! I was wondering what the fitness benefit was from this! Although it’s weird to me that humans haven’t picked this up since we are so genetically similar. Or maybe we have…?

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Test19s t1_j4qpuls wrote

Hopefully we can evolve to be more like them unless their behavior is uniquely tied to their small population and lack of predators.

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BubuBarakas t1_j4sgrge wrote

I’m a Bonobo at heart then.

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Splenda t1_j4vfzi3 wrote

>Bonobos live in a relatively stable ecological environment in Congo, where there is enough food available. Under those circumstances, there is less need for competition with other groups and peaceful interaction with strangers might even be beneficial for the conservation of the species. Early humans, on the other hand, lived in nomadic groups that had to compete with other groups of humans for food. Under such circumstances, it is probably evolutionarily more beneficial to favor individuals from your own group over strangers.'

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cccamy t1_j4sdbzb wrote

Because they already know their groups emotions

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davtruss t1_j4sysbh wrote

This is probably helpful when their bigger, more aggressive chimpanzee cousins get the boys together to do a little monkey murder.

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thegreatestajax t1_j4upp7y wrote

This seems directly contrary to the existence of reddit

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iminstasis t1_j4rq0ch wrote

It seems advantageous to evaluate the emotional state of a stranger, more than an acquaintance. I don't need to explain why.

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TheArcticFox444 t1_j4rqslg wrote

>Bonobos, unlike humans, are more interested in the emotions of strangers than acquaintances

From article:

>>Bonobos, along with chimpanzees, are the monkey species most closely related to humans because of a common ancestor.

This is a pretty drastic mistake...how reliable can the rest be...? Read with very skeptical frame of mind.

Human babies are more interested in something novel...like seeing a person wearing glasses will command the attention of a tot unfamiliar with seeing people wearing glasses.

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gnufan t1_j4si5ba wrote

We have a children's book for sale here featuring two monkeys called Chimp and Zee. I mean the distinction between ape and monkey can be tricky with say Barbary Apes, but we should at least give the kids a fighting chance of getting it right early.

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TheArcticFox444 t1_j4tnj8t wrote

This is supposed to be a science sub! Mistakes like this shouldn't be viewed as acceptable...especially when it occurs in a research paper! Or, have scientific standards actually fallen this low?

>We have a children's book for sale here featuring two monkeys called Chimp and Zee.

This didn't occur in a children's book. This mistake was made in a science research paper!

Come on, mods! You gonna let this slide?

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schlabberbacke t1_j4utvl0 wrote

It's not a research paper, it's a summary article on the university website. What's more, and someone Dutch can correct me, I believe the distinction doesn't exist there in the same way, it's all 'apen', so it's more an error in translation than anything else.

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voodoohotdog t1_j4q97yy wrote

Well that doesn't explain why we have Facebook now does it?

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Deejmiester t1_j4qaiez wrote

Last time I checked, Facebook wasn’t exactly brimming with people who care about others. Admittedly, I haven’t been on Facebook for about 6 years. Maybe it’s transformed itself and is now a shining beacon of compassion and humanity.

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