RealFrizzante t1_jdxij24 wrote
Can someone point me to a AI that is remotely near original thought or independent venues?
dokushin t1_jdyv1fr wrote
What counts as original thought?
RealFrizzante t1_jdz82by wrote
One that its not repeating a message for example
dokushin t1_jdz8cbe wrote
GPT 3.5 is more than capable of original poetry, stories, jokes, and discussion. I'm not really sure what would be considered "repeating a message", though.
RealFrizzante t1_jdz8il0 wrote
Gpt and every machine learning software learns messages, and then repeats them.
It doesnt learn words and concepts and use them autonomously for original thought.
dokushin t1_jdz8yyi wrote
Then where does the poetry come from?
RealFrizzante t1_jdzchr9 wrote
Picks up lines that fulfill the requirements
I am not saying that isnt impressive or useful, just that it isnt original really.
dokushin t1_jdzhja7 wrote
But none of the lines exist anywhere prior to their use by the AI in the poem. Where did the lines come from?
RealFrizzante t1_jdzo6qw wrote
How are you so certain?
dokushin t1_je0p6kh wrote
You propose that there is a secret database that doesn't show up on any search containing rhymes in every meter for every topic, name, and location?
RealFrizzante t1_je0qjon wrote
Lol no, not at all.
The rhyming is pattern recognition, or in this case pattern assembly, which is something this AI is very cappable of.
But that has nothing to do with AGI
dokushin t1_je0yg59 wrote
I was addressing original thought. Do you think employing pattern recognition prevents a thought from being original?
RealFrizzante t1_je0z9wm wrote
Not necesarily.
I see two problems, regarding this AI being unrelated to AGI: -Literally a prompt. -Throwback chuncks of non original material.
I would agree that human original thought does use previous knowledge and AI should be "Allowed" to.
But it misses the point. Artificial General Intelligence should act on demand and without it. If it only acts on demand it is not AGI, moreover atm afaik it is cappable of doing tasks it has been trained for, in a specific field of knowledge.
It is very much lacking the general in AGI.
dokushin t1_je18mky wrote
> moreover atm afaik it is cappable of doing tasks it has been trained for, in a specific field of knowledge
This isn't true; the same GPT model will happily do poetry, code, advice, jokes, general chat, math, anything you can express by chatting with it. It's not trained for any of the specific tasks you see people talk about.
As for the on demand stuff -- I agree with you there. It will need to be able to "prompt itself", or whatever the closest analogue of self-determination is.
RealFrizzante t1_je195fe wrote
All those are through a console. It parses text, and outputs text.
AGI will be able to intervene in the world via all means a human can.
Tldr: Your experience and history as a human, irl is more than just what you have read and written throughout your life. And AI atm only does text, or images, sometimes both. But there are lots of things missing.
dokushin t1_je30otj wrote
Eh, from the LLM's perspective, all I am is words on a console, no? I don't think they have too much in the way of rich experience, yet, but it's possble for them to experience the world in some way we don't understand.
Regardless, I don't think that's necessary for general intelligence; what about people born blind? Deaf? Does that diminish their capacity as a sentient being? I agree that some level of connection with the environment is necessary, but I don't think it has to look exactly like the human experience.
MultiverseOfSanity t1_jdyxaw2 wrote
Most humans aren't even capable of truly original thought. In fact, it's arguable if any humans are.
RealFrizzante t1_jdz83qk wrote
Lol... Stay delusional
Bierculles t1_jdznbrv wrote
you sound a lot more delusional by adherring to arbitrary definitions of words like creativity, originality and intelligence. AI is going to replace yo either way though so your argument is meaningless in the end besides kicking up some dust.
Dsstar666 t1_je029sv wrote
That's not a delusion. Many scientific schools of thought have come to the conclusion that there's no such thing as an original thought. There is always a precursor.
RealFrizzante t1_je09wve wrote
As many as schools of thought that maintain otherwise.
Anyways, a human has agency around what it wants to do, these AI we have now are nowhere near (and with its aproach never will be) to have its own agency.
AGI does have intentions, does have its own agency, even if it is subdued to human goodwill.
What we have now is really cool, useful and disruptive PROMPTS.
AGS: Artificial General Slaves
Dsstar666 t1_je1118m wrote
Agreed. But you didn't really disprove my statement.
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