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AsheyDS t1_its19ds wrote

I thought this was obvious, as well as something that has been researched and discussed before.... A simple example of this is falling asleep. We can't remember the exact moment we fall asleep because our conscious perception of things (really just a sort of feedback mechanism) is last in line. We're already out by the time our conscious perception of falling asleep would have recognized it. Another example is our body craving specific nutrients. By the time we consciously realize we're hungry for something specific, our body has already been craving it for some time, and even then we still don't always make the connection that the craving has something to do with nutritional requirements (it doesn't always of course). And when we go get food, it's because we're mentally or physically hungry, so it's an inevitability. Much of our actions are just reactions. If we were truly conscious of things all the time and consciously made decisions about everything, we'd likely make a lot of the wrong decisions and we'd get frustrated with the sheer amount of information and tasks we'd have to handle while being painfully aware of every mundane thing we do. Ever try suddenly putting conscious attention and effort to something simple you do regularly, and find yourself confused for a moment? It's much easier for us to put things on 'auto-pilot', use 'muscle memory', and consciously tune out if it doesn't actually need attention or focus... but that has the consequence of leaving us less aware of everything we do, unless of course we make a conscious memory of it.

Edit: Had started writing more but had to go do something, and now I've forgotten.

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DrMasonator t1_itss0x5 wrote

An interesting note to add to your sleep comment - we actually can experience the feeling of falling asleep. It’s a somewhat challenging exercise, but I’d give WBTB a google if you’re curious as to what I’m talking about. And no, this isn’t pseudoscience lol.

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to55r t1_itu0p6b wrote

Yep, I've surfed that brief little hypnagogia window into and out of sleep many times. It's a great way to lucid dream!

People also claim you can't read, look in a mirror, or experience color while sleeping. They are very wrong.

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AsheyDS t1_itv4znk wrote

Sure, there are outliers of course, but I'm talking the typical route to sleep for most people. Altering your rhythms and state of consciousness will obviously change that. I've heard of this technique but not by name, and I've probably done it but I still can't say I've been able to recall the moment I actually fall asleep. As someone who has had severe sleep problems in the past, I'm occasionally wary of my ability to actually fall asleep when I'm trying to, so I'm often aware of my last conscious thoughts before falling asleep, but I'm not aware they were last until I've woken up again.

Lucid dreaming is a very interesting thing, and I've done it quite a few times, but never really intentionally. I do know that if you consume caffeine a little while before sleeping, it can have a similar effect and will be more likely to induce lucidity. So yeah I know falling asleep can vary just as much as the sleep state itself, but I'm still pretty sure most people don't typically remember the moment they go unconscious. And even seamlessly going from being awake to a lucid dream and being aware of that is probably not very common.

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freebytes t1_itwbmpw wrote

While I am positive that I dream, I am not aware of dreaming much. I remember having a dream perhaps once every six months to a year. It is rare. However, I have been drinking coffee with mushroom extract in it, and I have had three dreams that I recall within the past two weeks. (It is not coffee itself because I drink about 40 ounces per day at all times throughout the day.) I have not noticed any other experiences from the mushroom extract other than my 'dreams coming back'. (Which I do not necessarily appreciate because most of my dreams are actually nightmares.)

Anyway, the reason I mention this is because I have had many scenarios where I realize I am dreaming for such dreams that I remember. Even though my dreams are rare, I often realize they are dreams while I am within them. I once had a dream years ago where I woke up only to find out that I had awakened inside of another dream. (My brain was trying to trick me. Perhaps my lack of remembering or noticing my dreams is because I wake myself up so often when I realize they are happening.)

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dnimeerf t1_its6ngb wrote

Have you read anything about CTMU? Langans work is interesting in the realms of ontology, and phenomenology. The epistemological rupture is ongoing.

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AsheyDS t1_itsa25y wrote

I haven't to my recollection, but I'll check it out. Thanks.

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Imsomniland t1_itt1hxe wrote

>Have you read anything about CTMU?

What's CTMU?

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dnimeerf t1_itu3i3x wrote

The cognitive theoretical model of the universe. See also Christopher langan

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