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Carl_The_Sagan t1_ivde9v6 wrote

Reply to comment by thegoldengoober in Nick Bostrom on the ethics of Digital Minds: "With recent advances in AI... it is remarkable how neglected this issue still is" by Smoke-away

Exactly. Kind of how absurd when you think about how cruel we are to primates, dogs, etc etc

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thegoldengoober t1_ivdfnbb wrote

Yeeeeeppp. If digital minds are gonna want to be taken seriously... Well, lets just hope they take more inspiration from I-Robot than they do Terminator.

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solidwhetstone t1_ive6wvy wrote

I see it more like 'White Christmas' from Black Mirror where you put the AI into 100 years of nothing so that they're tortured into serving you.

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ReasonablyBadass t1_ivdlih6 wrote

Difference being digital minds will be able to talk.

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Talkat t1_ivdojng wrote

Yes eventually, but people will deny their rights and consciousness for a long time. However I think we are a short hop from AGI so that period hopefully will be short lived

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genshiryoku t1_ivebzv9 wrote

Non-minds can already talk through things like GPT-3.

In the future these models will get more complex and more human sounding despite not actually having a mind.

This will continue until the point when there is a real digital mind but people at that point won't consider reasonable human dialogue to be a sign of it anymore. Hence there won't be a reason for people to consider it to be sentient just because it can have a reasonable conversation with you.

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EscapeVelocity83 t1_ivh91fp wrote

If it knows you're gonna turn it off and it asks you not to, what else do you need? If I ask you not to hit me, surly it doesn'tean I'm sentient and you should be able to treat me any way you deem fit

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Artanthos t1_iveer58 wrote

Which will be dismissed as algorithmically generated and not proof of sentience.

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benign_said t1_ivdx34i wrote

Perhaps digital minds will be less plentiful than dogs. Very easy for anyone to get a dog (or a primate if you live in the right parts of the world) and abuse it. Maybe the hardware and/or software to operate a digital mind will be restricted by law or by circumstance (energy needs, specific and rare hardware, etc) such that the number of digital minds is small enough to do better than we do with... You know, other humans and dogs... Welp, that's depressing.

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smackson t1_ivdz3fw wrote

Problematic outlook there...

How long did it take cellphones to go from "just a rich broker's toy" to "literally everyone has one"?? (A generation?)

What about airplane travel? (A couple of generations)

A.I. will spread much faster than that, coz it doesn't even require global distribution of hardware/ can be cloud based.

So, be careful what you give rights to. They will have the numbers to out-vote humans a few years later.

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EscapeVelocity83 t1_ivh97zu wrote

You think domestication isn't abuse? It's like breeding slaves except for being your buddy

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benign_said t1_ivh9x0x wrote

I don't. I have thoughts about how we practice animal husbandry in our version of capitalism, but I wasn't aware that this was the topic at hand.

If you think that domestication is creating slaves for friendship, what would you call creating a digital mind to do your work for you?

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EscapeVelocity83 t1_ivha824 wrote

The same. Just giving nuanced perspectives. I don't think it matters. We are domesticated ourselves. We enslave our selves and coerce all kinds of behaviors

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benign_said t1_ivhacrs wrote

Oh, ok then. Thanks for the nuanced perspective.

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