Tencreed t1_j1u5bo4 wrote on December 27, 2022 at 12:24 PM

Reply to comment by Surur in Driverless cars and electric cars being displayed as the pinnacle of future transportation engineering is just… wrong. Car-based infrastructure is inefficient, bad for the environment and we already have better technologies in other fields that could help more. An in depth analysis by mocha_sweetheart

Then I must live in one of these few areas they describe where public transportation is quicker than cars, cause I definitely checked my personal case, several times, with hard data, since people tend to be quite skeptic when I tell them that. While GPS is good quality data, I would have liked to see transportation segregated between road-based and specific infradtructures. Of course public buses will be impacted by rush hour, while trains and subways much less so.

Edit : I see you exemple, and public transportation from suburbs to suburbs is notoriously inefficient, caus everything needs to go through the center. A peripheric line is being built to improve that.

Surur t1_j1u5zku wrote on December 27, 2022 at 12:31 PM

> since people tend to be quite skeptic when I tell them that.

So you should be aware already that your experience is an exception, and can not be generalized to the majority as a solution.

For the majority, cars work much better. 81% of families have cars in France and 69% commute by car.

Of course in Paris most people commute by PT, but people hate it.

> A survey, carried out by French jobs website RegionsJob, has revealed that a whopping 76 percent of Parisians and people living in the Paris region are willing to take a pay cut to avoid the hassle of their daily commute.

Tencreed t1_j1u6hpr wrote on December 27, 2022 at 12:37 PM

Of course, my case is an exception, France is an ultra-centralized country, with Paris reaching population densities way higher than anywhere else. The thing is I live there, people I talk to live there, so yeah, we're in an exceptional situation, where the most straightforward solution used everywhere else might not apply here. As I wrote before, cars will always be in need in some areas. Some others can do better with less of them.