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0913856742 t1_j078okl wrote

Reply to comment by Clarkeprops in The problem isn’t AI, it’s requiring us to work to live by jamesj

Your analogy isn't exactly applicable - in Star Trek they developed replicator technology which basically meant abundance for all. People totally could hangout on the holodeck all day. It's just that now they have created an environment where everyone who does work wants to be there, there is no need to work. At least, from what we see from the Starfleet point of view. Maybe we just don't see all the people on earth who spend their time in holonovels.

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Clarkeprops t1_j0794lc wrote

No, they can’t just hang out. Have you even seen the show? The ship takes constant maintenance by people with a LOT of training.

That’s my point. NOBODY can just hang out. Unless you want to live like a caveman, all of these things around us are the product of someone’s hard work. Even with the craziest AI, it doesn’t just happen. The phone doesn’t just get delivered to your hand. Peoples work is required. People have to put in effort. Why are you an exception?

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0913856742 t1_j07bbfv wrote

Friend, you need to calm down. From the tone of your other posts, you sound very angry at something but I have no idea what.

The point I was trying to get across, is that everyone in Starfleet wants to be there, even if there's no monetary reward. In this fictional future, the real prize is social prestige. And that changes everything.

The equivalent would be if someone was developing the next AI system, or the next iPhone, not out of the hope to reap massive profits, but because they felt it was something that could advance the species.

There's a shift from the very narrow goal of profit to the much more grand ideals of improving us as a civilization. That's the difference.

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SnipingNinja t1_j0af29e wrote

Imagine if things were made for the sake of public good instead of monetary gains like you said, there wouldn't be any scams, maybe some trolls but not scams, iPhone wouldn't be locked down either, every device would've the best chipset, etc

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0913856742 t1_j0afykw wrote

Yeah, and we also could've started addressing climate change decades earlier. Sometimes it feels like the profit motive poisons us both metaphorically and literally.

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SnipingNinja t1_j0alsec wrote

For sure, so many problems could've been solved if profit was not the main driver of… everything

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ShowerGrapes t1_j09muc4 wrote

the star trek show is about voluntary military service aboard a ship with a strict social hierarchy, it does not represent all life on earth on the show. you don't see every facet of life in the universe on that show either.

replicators give you everything you need and instant travel means everyone is where they want to be at any time of the day and they're doing what they want to be doing. in the future we will figure out how to achieve all this, how to motivate people, basically, without money, we just haven't figure it out yet.

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ShowerGrapes t1_j09n2o7 wrote

we could have that future now if we really wanted it

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