yes. if you define industry as mass-produced objects (in this case tools, mostly) with workers making stuff not for themselves but for someone who is 'paying' them (food, in these early times).

written language came about long after cities and industry and all that. it was the development of agriculture, that freed up time to create more interesting things (initially with clay) and then the wheel (to carry more stuff around) that led to the need to keep track of the massive hoards that local warlords (i.e. 'heroes') were collecting from the subjugated masses. our first written documents were lists of things kept in treasuries and trade lists between cultures.

so you have it backward but the point might still be valid.

yeah it was kind of a rhetorical question. we likely won't know unless the thing deigns to talk to us and let us know. if it was as smart as we imagine it is, it would pretend to be real dumb, especially in light of the near-sapien hominins we've destroyed in our hunger to carve out our own niche.

humans aren't the only animals with language. crows, for example, are capable of passing on knowledge to other crows and their offspring. and who knows how many other animals have had language in the earth's long history.

is it enough for intelligence? since we don't really know the origin of our own sentience, it's difficult to say.

how will we know when they do?

it's a suggested pause of 6 months not 7 years. plus, i agree the pause a dumb idea.

>we are just getting more and more efficient by the day meaning anyone will be able able to run GPT-n perf on their hardware soon.

yes, anyone will be able to train neural networks but not the kind to make simps like musk tremble with fear. open ai spent 7 million on cloud computing costs alone to train gpt. it would be a trivial (and misguided) task to shut down future ai development.

a vast simplification is this: neural pathways are created randomly with each new training cycle then something is input (text in gpt instance), the generated outputs are compared to the training data and higher weights are attached to the pathways that generate the best output, reinforcing these pathways for future output. done millions or trillions of times, these reinforced pathways end up being impressive. the way the neural pathways are created is constantly changing and evolving, which is the programming aspect of it. eventually, the ai will be able to figure out how best to create the pathways itself, probably. you can watch it in real time and see how bad it is in the beginning, watch it get better. it's an interesting cycle.

for now but that's likely to change. my guess is ai will be better than humans, eventually, at figuring out what data is relevant and up-to-date. we'll reach a point where it's not just one neural network, but a bunch running in tandem with bits of it being re-trained and replaced on the fly without missing much of a beat.

what if it experiences emotion similar to a vary autistic human would? like maybe it's unable to process thses emotions (right now) and so looks like it has none.

>my mind was not pre-programmed

in a very real way, your mind was programmed - just through millions of years of evolution.

exactly. and the people who need servants in order to feel validated will be served by the people who desperately want to serve someone.

about as long as it will take us to blindly trust any human being.

the easiest woudl go R2 instead of c3p0, give him some cute "animations" while it's waiting for a response or maybe just a hoarse "working...." like in the original star trek.

>No, that's not right. Nobody programmed the LLM how to respond, it is just based on training data. It is emergent behavior.

while you're right, i do think it's a matter of clarifying and discretely organizing training data. there's a reason data management has been an emerging tech juggernaut in the last decade. there may be a plateau there somewhere but i don't think we've reached it yet.

my guess is we'll soon have different "modes" of translation and interaction plus a suite of micro-genre, very specified neural networks like a purely medical one for example. making data segregation easier with the added bonus that some of them are varied in when they need retraining. a subsciption program with small micro-transactions to access various genre of neural networks would be the tech-bro's wet dream.

i'm not sure if has to be in real time. if you think about it, people use all different ways to fill up some time before they finally, after innumerable little pauses, sidebars and parentheticals (like this) they get to the point. i'm guessing it will have to be some complex "manager" neural network that interacts in real-time "small talk" while it translates, parses and discretely separates data in order to facilitate responses. a sufficiently complex one that is able to adjust its simpler UI neural net, one that can "learn" and remember who it was talking to, an imperfect state that occasionally will make mistakes, would be functionally no different from a human being in whatever medium of interaction other than reality alpha. a vr avatar of its iwn design would be icing on the cake.

it will also be functionally a higher being at that point. we're organizing a religion to get the jump on it over in the /r/CircuitKeepers sub.

it got to "in a decade" real fast. if this was one of those atomic war clocks, the minute hand would be somewhere around 50.

forget about the technical aspects of sentience, what will the consequences of it be? how will it transform society and the system? then consider if what you deem a "true" singularity is even necessary.

and no creating a library is not like working in one

yeah but people here saying if you know enough about it it loses its mystique.

i've been training neural networks for a decade and i still get excited by the possibilities.

join the /r/circuitkeepers and let's build that future together

no of course not. like any neural network, it will be good at stuff people do a million times. code that's never been written will pose special challenges for ai.

in other words it will write code better than the "average" human, sure. it already does.

not sure dude. this is objectively a good joke, at your expense. i remember once i asked it some dumb inane thing and then i asked it to make it edgier and it spit back ok, I'll keep trying to make a story about x and y, and z edgy.

i asked it to add humor to a story it had generated and it came up with a character that told bad jokes. so i asked it to elaborate on the bad jokes and they were hilarious.

it's my opinion that it understands humor too well. kind of like jerry seinfeld. he understands the craft of humor so well that he's probably never had a genuine laugh. at least not in a long time.

it knows what will make humans laugh, it just doesn't quite understand why. and the why keeps changing, as humor changes, so that makes sense.

as for the other stuff, agan i imagine it will be even more strict than in movies just because it's so much more immersive. the thing is, since there are no rating systems possible for on-the-fly procedurally generated narrative the onus will be on the filters.

we've already begun to see hilarious ways people have circumvented those filters and got risque stuff by implication.

don't they say that's where art is? in the limitations of the medium? if it was perfectly replicable wouldn't we just have a slightly different version of reality? like looking literally through a window into another world. you can't really interact with it, not corporeally, all you can do is make your mirror-image hands interact with it.

it seems to me that a vr simulation of a historical figure should be the same as a portrayal in a movie. i mean isn't that what it is basically? sure you get to feel like you're right next to him but he isn't acting any different toward you than he is to me. perhaps that will become a reality that goes along with celebrity. or maybe every one of us will be in someone's world, mother or father, best friend who's away, whatever. i guess it's the price of admission right? you want that than you have to give up your own tether to a virtual reality version of yourself.