LyubomirIko t1_j6i0vg2 wrote on January 30, 2023 at 2:02 PM

Reply to comment by alexiuss in How long till we enter the age of abundance? by tiny9000

Just like the LAION database is nonprofit but actually literally is harmful to the real artists.

AI 5 years ago was a promise that it will replace boring jobs and give the people more time to create art. Currently young people give up their dreams to persue artistic career because of AI.

Meanwhile the replacement of the artist in the visual industry is based on that same nonprofit LAION database. Artists actually cannot help but "contribute" or simply put - be hostages of data scraping algorithms.

alexiuss t1_j6i40o5 wrote on January 30, 2023 at 2:26 PM

The approach to absolute abundance of everything makes things cheaper. There are no careers in automated luxury communism, there is only passion to do something because you love doing it.

An artist truly passionate about drawing does not give a fuck about whether their art is converted into cash or views.

What is this negativity?

As artist, I can go outside and draw portraits on the street right now with a pencil and no AI will stop me and my hat will be filled with cash because I am making a direct person to person connection!

I can draw in Photoshop for my clients and get tons of cash because they suck at directing AI really, really bad or simply don't have time for playing with Ais.

I can combine my art skills with an AI to make amazing new things and get cash.

Fear of automation is foolish and is obviously being spread by people who aren't passionate about making art with any tools that exist without limits. I refuse to be boxed into fear mongering and imaginary suffering.

LyubomirIko t1_j6i53ua wrote on January 30, 2023 at 2:35 PM

You sound like 14 years old. Artists don't eat air and can't pay bills with air.

To become artist can take 10 or more years, and it was never well played job anyway. In the face of competing with AI young artists are just forced to give up.

alexiuss t1_j6i8dia wrote on January 30, 2023 at 2:58 PM

They give up because they lack passion or are bullied by people like you into a negative belief!

Look, you cannot bully me into your negative belief of "AIs are bad for artists". I've literally been drawing with oils since 1998 and no AI can stop me.

Wake up from your negative perceptions, dude! AIs are amazing tools for artists! I'm telling you this as an artist.

LyubomirIko t1_j6i9t8k wrote on January 30, 2023 at 3:08 PM

Nobody can stop you from believing whatever you like. For instance that you are the driver of a self driving car, of that you are pizza chef by ordering pizza.

alexiuss t1_j6iapx7 wrote on January 30, 2023 at 3:15 PM

Chess playing Ais didn't make chess game stop existing.

Career Artists will exist through human connections even if robots are better at drawing until the singularity which will obliterate every career that exists and then everyone will do what they're passionate about.

LyubomirIko t1_j6icj0k wrote on January 30, 2023 at 3:27 PM

Because they aren't allowed to compete with real humans.

The same way machines aren't allowed to compete with athletes on the Olympic stadium. If machines are allowed to compete with real humans on the Olympic stadium and the other sport events - quickly the real athletes will be outperformed and won't be able to sustain their professional career.

There is no regulation about AI in arts however, so real humans art will only become something luxurious and less real artist will exists.

alexiuss t1_j6idnoi wrote on January 30, 2023 at 3:35 PM

Athletes make money at stadiums by being allowed to be there.

In real life, lots of comicons have already banned AI art. It's a similar irl barrier.

Artists make the most money through human connections, AI can't take that away.

Yes, there will obviously be less of some cheap 2d artists that depend on internet showcase, but as trade there will be more AI using artists that make multimedia projects like games and movies - the barrier of entry to produce multimedia projects is way lower now.

LyubomirIko t1_j6ikg4e wrote on January 30, 2023 at 4:19 PM

Athletes and chess players makes living by not competing with machines, because there is regulations.

Already small freelance artists are being replaced by AI and they have to quit and find other job. Even medium companies are cutting their experienced artist staff because they can make more profit by replacing them. Few visual industries was known to be exploiting artists anyway. It was already hard profession to be sustaining family from.

AI have the intention to replace human to human interaction anyway. There is a sighs that technology is altering our genetics or at least there is obvious boom of autism spectrum disorders.

Seeing in the future where your teacher will be an AI, the doctor will be an AI, your girl/boy friend will be an AI, the psychotherapist will be AI and so on - will just make matters worse.

Real artists are being overwhelmed and buried under ton or so called AI "art". AI "art" is real art the way deep fakes are real people. Just a mimicry that exploit the not mature ethics and morality of society. Plagiarism and mimicking, mostly not based on transformative content, but derivative that hurts directly the real artists on which is based. Artists have the full right to protest against immaturity of society that allows it.