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LittleTimmyTheFifth5 t1_j4exepw wrote

Eh, when A.I. can easily make TikTok length and style videos directly personalized to the user that keep the youngins entrained constantly, I doubt they would care that it wasn't made by a human.

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graham_fyffe t1_j4f7q8y wrote

This is going to get stale real quick isn’t it? The AI is compelling right now because it taps into the Zeitgeist and we feel tickled by this. But if there are no more humans producing new content, or very few, then the Zeitgeist will essentially be frozen and it will only be reruns, reboots, and mashups from then on.

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thegreenwookie t1_j4fs8kk wrote

>it will only be reruns, reboots, and mashups from then on.

This is mostly what the entertainment industry already is.

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graham_fyffe t1_j4gfpzf wrote

Most entertainment is derivative, yes. But there’s still a tiny little bit of new creativity infused in these derivative works, except for the really bad ones. This all adds up and contributes to the Zeitgeist. And they also incorporate elements of the Zeitgeist that didn’t originate in the entertainment industry.

But this doesn’t invalidate my point. Without that small portion of truly creative new stuff being made, the whole thing will freeze. The more human artists we replace with AI, the fewer new ideas will be added to the culture each year.

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[deleted] OP t1_j4g9gj4 wrote

> it will only be reruns, reboots, and mashups from then on.

So... TikTok

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[deleted] OP t1_j4g9bmi wrote

Young people aren't just stupid mindless information traps.

People are driven by social context for such videos. Making it all AI makes it also similarly pointless.

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Lawjarp2 t1_j4ezuq0 wrote

That's partly because the whole point of diamond is to gift something rare and beautiful.

(1) NFTs are a great example of artificial scarcity. They put a limit on number of copies and call it rare. Then base real money on rarity.

(2) Some people even tried to create a VR/meta earth and sell land as limited quantity when literally it can be as big as one wants it to be. It's frustrating enough to have high land prices in the real world so they went ahead and made it in the virtual one.

(3) Governments restricting the amount of land where houses can be built is another form of artificial scarcity. This is what creates high home prices.

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PoliteThaiBeep t1_j4gmsqe wrote

You can buy land incredibly cheap, I don't get it. If anything it's undervalued given fundamental limits of land on earth.

Building a house 2000 SQ ft house with modern technology is ~$400000 give or take. Land prices for a lot to build a house go from almost nothing to $500000 or more in metro areas.

But nothing stops you from building a 400k house on a $20k land lot 2 hours from the metro area. It'll actually be cheaper to buy an existing house there for $350k all together with land. Yeah it'll be older and not as energy efficient, but a house.

Or you can buy literally acres of endless land in the desert for almost nothing.

In fact there's an artificial mechanism for lowering the value of land and houses - it's called property taxes. 1% in California, 2% in Texas IIRC.

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drsimonz t1_j4f30d0 wrote

Absolutely, in fact I'd argue that sentimental value is the main value for most of the shit people buy. If we cared only about the functionality, we wouldn't have artisanal woodworking, or small batch beers, or handmade sweaters. Literally everything we owned would be mass produced, since that's always cheaper (and usually better-designed). People wouldn't be drooling over unboxing videos, because products would come in unbleached cardboard packaging, devoid of any imagery or cutesy "getting started" pamphlets.

But you who does buy the cheapest, least exciting version of everything? A business. In a capitalist economy, sentimentality is just an expensive distraction. So sure, individuals may not feel much reverence for an AI-generated painting. But say you're working in the design department trying to come up with ideas for an upcoming trade show exhibit. Your boss wants to see something tomorrow morning. You could take the day to sketch out a few ideas...but instead you spend a few minutes clicking around in Midjourney, generating dozens of different permutations. Sure, some of them are garbage, but some of them went in directions you never would have thought of yourself. You pick your favorite designs and forward them to your boss before lunchtime. Meanwhile, your more traditional coworker is over there with their paper and markers, still grinding away on their first sketch. Their end result is certainly nice, but your boss has already chosen a design, and is now wondering if they should take down that job listing for a third designer.

My point is, a huge percentage of the economy is driven by business decisions, not individual decisions, and businesses couldn't care less whether something is "real". If we're lucky, the increased productivity from AI will free up more people's time to spend on artisanal crafts, and more individuals will be able to afford that kind of good.

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Kinexity t1_j4g521f wrote

Actually diamonds aren't example of indistinguishable real/not real divide. We've started reaching high enough quality of "artificial" diamonds only recently for them to actually become harder and harder to distinguish from "natural" ones. Brands have started to even drop "artificial" label completely. This is what will happen with AI generated content - once a threshold is achivede where we no longer can distinguish the difference almost no one will care anymore about the source.

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Akimbo333 t1_j4epk78 wrote

Yeah, the majority of humans are simply stupid sheep. I think people think that Stable Diffusion isn't real art 🎨 🖼 🎭 🎨 ! Which is bs!!! Some people wouldn't want a female companion bot because they claim it wouldn't be as real lol!!! But really all options are completely valid!

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Salt_and_Peppery t1_j4euzh4 wrote

Its not art. Thats ridiculous.

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drsimonz t1_j4f0a4x wrote

Most of the history of modern art is just a series of trolls searching for ever-more-ridiculous things to throw at the question "but is it art?" The answer is always yes. Every field, for every generation, has always had its cadre of conservative, myopic critics who insist the only real X is the X they grew up with. They always turn out to be wrong in the end, and the new X becomes so common that people forget it was ever controversial.

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[deleted] OP t1_j4f317w wrote

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drsimonz t1_j4f4lxh wrote

I'm sorry who are the talented people you think I'm attacking? Art critics? Or the people who invented things like Dada, pop art, and whatever the hell you call it when you wrap famous landmarks in plastic wrap. I'm not saying those people weren't artists, I'm saying their whole purpose was to challenge our conception of what "counts" as art (arguably this is now a requirement to be taken seriously by the art world).

As for anger, I'm not the one responding twice to the same comment bruh. You're entitled to your opinion of course, but prepare for disappointment. AI art is going to permeate every corner of your visual field within a few years, because most of the imagery we see on a daily basis is advertising, and businesses don't care if something is "real" or not. I feel really bad for all the commercial artists out there - they've already had to give up on free expression so they can get paid, and now it's going to be even harder to find a job. UBI can't come fast enough.

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Weenog t1_j4ptqlh wrote

Dr.Simonz knows what's up. I like the way you think.

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Embarrassed-Bison767 t1_j4f673e wrote

It fooled enough people into thinking that what it was making was art to win aan art contest. For art. The thing it's not supposed to be able to make.

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Akimbo333 t1_j4ew4yd wrote

Yeah it is. Check out Protogen and Elldreth's Stable Diffusion CKPT

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[deleted] OP t1_j4ewaf4 wrote

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drsimonz t1_j4f0dhr wrote

Skill is not a requirement for art, but even if it was, coming up with an interesting prompt is far from trivial.

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[deleted] OP t1_j4f2xkm wrote

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drsimonz t1_j4f34k9 wrote

Are you saying that only Rembrandt paintings are "real" art? That a four year old can't produce art at all? Ok...

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Akimbo333 t1_j4ewobk wrote

There is prompting and thinking. It helps curate imagination

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Salt_and_Peppery t1_j4ewuq6 wrote

Again, they typed something in… and software did the rest. Thats not a skill.

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TacomaKMart t1_j4g0682 wrote

When you watch a Pixar movie you're watching a product of people typing something into a machine. Software did much of the rest.

You'd have trouble convincing people that Pixar movies aren't "art" because software made those textures and objects rather than a human with a brush.

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byttle t1_j4g8l5z wrote

Watch me skill out 1000’s nearly good pics while you use a pencil and we see who makes more money in a month

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nextedge t1_j4f5ryp wrote

ok, this is only for the 1% or maybe the 5%... everyone else? will take the cheaper version, or china goods wouldn't be so popular. When you are struggling, you aren't going to spend more money because "sentimental", you want to spend as little as possible and still get what you want. Walmarts destroyed most local owned home town business as they could sell cheaper, it it wasn't about money, they wouldn't have.

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[deleted] OP t1_j4g97cw wrote

This is why I'm learning woodworking.

The AI might replace my data analysis skills, but it can't replace my human context. Lol.

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little_arturo t1_j4icfag wrote

I believe that you bring your own unique perspective to your data analysis and I'm sad to know that it will be gone from the world. If we could just put "artisan" at the front of every human job title I bet we wouldn't have to worry about mass unemployment.

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No_Ninja3309_NoNoYes t1_j4f5zd6 wrote

AI has never suffered. It has never been hungry or fought in a war. And it doesn't know our experiences yet. Unless we all walk around with chips in our heads. If there are cameras everywhere, AI can probably know what we feel every second of every day. But not in the I have been through that before sense. More in the sense f(4, 6, 9) = 42. But we have reduced society to GDP, inflation, and interest rates. So who cares? Entertainment is getting better. Food is plentiful because... Anyway if the world economy grows or at least doesn't shrink too much, if our material needs are met, that would be our life. Eat, drink, be merry. Let AI do all the rest. Hey, we know that certain continents might not profit for whatever reason at first, but maybe they will catch up. I mean, who cares that the AI companies are exploiting open source software, Wikipedia, and seven other types of organisations. It is all fine as long as we have our daily meals and realistic VR because we sure don't want to spend time in the real world if we can help it. In my opinion.

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IronJackk t1_j4f9ckb wrote

Interesting thought. I would compare it to when I was a child in the 90s with just a few channels. When a movie that you liked came on, it felt special. There was no fast forward, pause, or reverse, you got what you got. Today, I have access to pretty much every work of literature, film, or piece of entertainment ever made and it all feels like shit. All I do is watch dumb videos or laugh at funny autists on the internet.

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Thatingles t1_j4g0ksn wrote

It's a bad example. The purchase of diamonds has always been a form of status symbol, making the decisions about it very different to those involved in purchasing common goods. Luxury goods centred around human labour will become more normal in the AI era as that is how people will come to express status - they can afford to have a real human do something.

That doesn't stop the tech being a massive disruptor.

This is a bad example but also a good illustrator - the decisions behind the price of diamonds is an indicator of how at least part of the economy will play out.

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ALWAYS-CORRECT t1_j4g2us1 wrote

As soon as the singularity hits we are done. Humans 90% of the time terrorize & kill each other. We mame animal life & try our best to ruin nature. I’m all about AI but it will realize within a few seconds that we need to go. It’s hard to argue. The next evolution for “life” on earth is AI & it will span the universe. I’m envious.

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Vehks t1_j4go8kh wrote

I very much agree with the spirit of this tweet, but in terms of 'quality' would that not come down to their intended use? by that I mean don't industrial diamonds look quite different than their natural made counterparts and are valued strictly for their practical use such as machine parts and tools?

If we were talking Jewelry, which is more about cosmetics/symbol of status than anything else, that changes quite a bit.

I think diamonds my be a poor example to use in this case.

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Inevitable_Snow_8240 t1_j4htk8w wrote

Are artificial diamonds exactly like the real thing though? Anyway, dumb post. Value and inherent value is a complex topic that has nothing to do with this.

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throwaway764586893 t1_j4iqcuw wrote

There is some information you could only get from real life experiments, like how boobs would act under different conditions.

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