> However, this perspective seems to stem from a lack of motivation to work and not from a genuine concern for the future of employment.

Someone's dad is on the internet again... might wanna come claim him before he starts dropping jokes.

>Take your crazy "MSFT will try to mind control us" nonsense to a different sub.

mind control?

Lay off the scifi broski, there are much more grounded concerns that are perfectly legitimate that you seem to be glossing over, like general safety, for instance.

What if this tech goes terribly wrong once implanted? What if the brain rejects it or some kind of dangerous complications arise? What if potentially fatal consequences arise later down the road that aren't immediately apparent? Will these corporations take responsibility? Or the proper precautions?

What if these things work wonderfully and people become dependent on them, but for one reason or another these companies no longer find them profitable, can we trust they won't simply pull the plug/disable these implants at will? What happens if the implants become buggy and malfunction over time, but have been discontinued by the company and thus no longer serviced? will they take that into account?

I'm slamming that F key for doubt.

I could go on all day.

A lot of these corporations are not exactly all that concerned with public health/safety when profit is on the line and have proven to be less than trustworthy in general, putting things politely, so the last thing I would want to do is trust them with any potential scenarios like the above; especially when they have a habit of not reporting the whole facts or using their vast wealth to sweep these problems under the rug.

Put it another way - accountability is not their strong suit is what I'm driving at.

TLDR: poking around in a person's gray matter is a big freaking deal.

>Bunch of paranoid conspiracy theorists in this sub

hyperbole or not, I don't think i'm comfortable by anything made/backed by Bezos or Gates poking around inside my head...

Especially Bezos, given his more recent track record. If that makes me a conspiracy theorist, then fuck it toss me a roll of tinfoil, better yet roll in a whole pallet of that shit.

Actually I don't much trust any billionaire, really. So forgive me if I'm not first in line to install any data ports into my noggin just yet.

>How do we know we aren't approaching a plateau? Summer and Fall 2022 were nuts

Wasn't fall 2022 like... a few months ago?

>But, since then, not a lot has changed, at least not like the delta we experienced last year.

"last year" was just over a month and it's been pretty wild since about Oct to now, IMO- So its been like what? 20 minutes since the last drop and you are ready to pack it in already? Society hasn't even had a chance to catch its breath yet and truly take in GPT 3 and what it can do. It takes time for people to even see the full potential in a new tool and already a plethora of models have been spun out from it.

Shouldn't we at least wait a year or so of no updates/news/breakthroughs/releases etc etc before we start worrying about a plateau?

For the record, I have highly tempered predictions of the future and I tend err on the side of conservative, but even so, it's way too soon to be calling anything right now. Let the dust settle first.

Well AI developed the covid vaccine in roughly 3 days, apparently.

It took 8 months to actually roll out, though. Mostly because of the glacial slow FDA safety vetting process, so AI has the potential speed up vaccine and drug development by an order of magnitude, but the bottleneck is with our outdated FDA, and organizations like them, that can and probably will continue to slow things to a crawl for the foreseeable future.

Our institutions need an update along with these AI systems that are coming online by the day.

>It would be nice if my parents were able to live, they would need it to happen in the next 20 or 30 years.

Exactly, and that is well within the realm of possibility if AI takes the helm.

AI is like the 'secret sauce' when it comes to research/experiment time

So you're just concerned about yourself then and your supposed 60 years?

What about people who don't have 60 years? What about your relatives like your parents, for example, do you want them to make it as well? I'm sure you do.

Also, are you sure you have 60 years? What if you develop some terminal disease? Anything can happen within a time frame of 60 years. Rejuvenation also means more robust disease treatments as well

The more time this takes, the more needless deaths there will be, is my point. In this specific case, faster is most certainly better all around.

It would be 'enough' eventually, for those who happen to fortunate to be alive when these treatments come to fruition, but who knows how long that will be.

Human research, at least in the medical rejuvenation branch, is glacial slow. Especially with mice experiments as the vast majority do not translate into anything practical for humans.

For those who are currently alive today and would like to benefit, would definitely want this research kicked into high gear and AI would do just that.

For example, the covid vaccine? AI helped develop that in 3 days I believe, the reason it took 8 months to get it out into people's arms was because the vaccine had to go through the FDA's extremely slow vetting process for safety, but the actual development time was extremely quick thanks to AI.

Normally vaccines take years to develop, true the fact that it was a world wide pandemic expedited a lot of the processes, but the point still stands, when AI comes into the equation research time drops fast.

Well, I'm more than happy to be wrong, the sooner the better, but like I said I think it's probably gonna be AI that cracks this problem.

>"That isn't in humans yet, let's make that clear"

That's the rub.

Until we actually see some kind of rejuvenation that works in humans we don't know.

It COULD be a step, but it could just as easily be yet another 'in-mice-only' procedure that goes nowhere.

I still remain in the camp that we won't see huge breakthroughs in rejuvenation and LEV until AI is finally fully let loose in the field.

When it comes to predictions-

Generally anyone who speaks so matter-of-fact about things on a timeline greater than 5 years can be safely ignored.

I've mentioned this before, but its said that future predictions can only be reasonably extrapolated on a timeline of roughly 3 years with 5 years allowing for some leeway, but past that there are simply too many unknowns/variables to extrapolate upon that one is just guessing at that point.

What's interesting is this applies to both laymen and experts, as even educated guessing is still guessing.

I very much agree with the spirit of this tweet, but in terms of 'quality' would that not come down to their intended use? by that I mean don't industrial diamonds look quite different than their natural made counterparts and are valued strictly for their practical use such as machine parts and tools?

If we were talking Jewelry, which is more about cosmetics/symbol of status than anything else, that changes quite a bit.

I think diamonds my be a poor example to use in this case.

>We are decades and decades away...

Yes this sub is very much overly optimistic thus I am wary of many of the claims made here, but I'm also wary of people who throw up baseless nonsense like this as well.

Considering that most people, this includes experts, cannot come even close to making accurate future predictions past 5 years or so I immediately tune out when people drop the "maybe in a 100 years" or the "decades and decades" spiel.

It's been said that humans can only make reasonable/feasible predictions in a time span of roughly 3 years, with 5 years being generous.

Anything past that is just wild ass guessing and the reason for that is we have no idea what break throughs can suddenly pop up or what technologies come to fruition that prior predictions didn't account for because we had no way of knowing/expected.

There are just too many unknowns past the 3-5 year mark is what my point is, so speaking so matter-of-factly about things that far out is an absurdity.

For fulldive vr, at least the type of fulldive this sub envisions, we would need BCIs that can not only read the brain, which already exist, but also write to the brain as well, and as far as I am aware, these do not exist as of yet.

I would be more confident in making any kind of prediction if we hade some kind of rudimentary interfaces that could do so, but as it stands now I think FDVR is a ways out yet.

My point was that is not a totally fair assessment.

Yes, there are the terminally depressed who frequent that site, but there are also people who post relevant and factual information as well as offer well thought out analysis to current events. To simply write everyone on that sub off as "doomers" would be the same as writing everyone off on this sub as "hopium addicts".

Do you get where I'm coming from? Painting with broad brushes like this really doesn't do most communities justice and to be fair our current situation is very much in a precarious state.

It could go either way, maybe technology will usher in a new age of prosperity, or humanity can drop the ball entirely and screw everything up. Nothing is set in stone at this point.

>r/collapse
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>is an echo chamber for depression.

Broski, every sub on this site is an echo chamber onto itself. It's just what social media devolves into in general and reddit is really bad about this in particular.

I mean, if you really want to point that finger then this sub is not immune to that very same criticism either, half the time it is a techno-optimist hopium chamber and even members of this sub have to reign in some of the other more ,shall we say, 'spirited' posters because they go hog wild with the whole "AGI by 10 am tomorrow!" shtick.

We have met the enemy and he is us. Humans like to surround themselves with like minded people, while denouncing people with dissenting opinions regardless of the facts, which usually lie somewhere in the middle.