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nova9001 t1_iv0uwyn wrote

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_the_International_Space_Station

>While ESA is open to China's inclusion, the US is against it.[45] US concerns over the transfer of technology that could be used for military purposes echo similar concerns over Russia's participation prior to its membership.[46][47]

12 years ago US banned China from ISS and today China has completed their own space station. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

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InsGadget6 t1_iv103ej wrote

I don't think the US considers this a mistake.

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chriswaco t1_iv10ssh wrote

The US rarely admits mistakes unless they were made by the other political party.

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InsGadget6 t1_iv10xla wrote

But not having China involved with the ISS is not exactly something anyone within the US is losing sleep over.

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stanton98 t1_iv11aq2 wrote

That’s not true, just last night I lost 23 minutes of sleep just thinking about our Chinaless ISS

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chriswaco t1_iv125s5 wrote

Right, but now China has the complete start-to-finish expertise to create their own station. Soon they’ll be better than we are at it, just like manufacturing.

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poopmaster79 t1_iv4wzwg wrote

In my opinion it would have been better to just have a single ISS for all nations doing space programs, all these resources to build a separate space station could have been utilised somewhere else, this just seems like a baseless competition to do the same experiments in the same kind of environment but in two different places, humanity can't look past it's own differences, how does one expect us to reach the stars and look beyond what's discovered?

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[deleted] t1_iv1ew3x wrote

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chriswaco t1_iv1puyv wrote

It’s not pride. It’s reality. My US-based engineering school is now 25% Chinese. The first generation of US-trained engineers has returned home and China is now training more engineers than we are.

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Analyst7 t1_iv5an5x wrote

But if they are so capable why are they using Russian designs?

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chriswaco t1_iv5zqfq wrote

The same reason our rockets used German designs. It’s the fastest way to get started. If not for the private company SpaceX, the US would be way behind Russia and China in launch capacity right now.

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greatestmofo t1_iv4i40r wrote

The US stole British tech in the past, then took over and become a manufacturing prowess.

China stole US tech, and is now a manufacturing prowess.

In the next few decades, India will steal Chinese tech and become a manufacturing prowess themselves.

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chem-chef t1_iv4iqv5 wrote

I really doubt the india statement. In the last several thousand of years, they developed a lot of thoughts, but not much physical accomplishments.

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Analyst7 t1_iv5a8bq wrote

Actually we became a powerhouse in response to WWII, which was driven in US based tech.

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quadrangle3136 t1_iv3jr8h wrote

Think global. We're all one species. Trumpism is obsolete.

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Analyst7 t1_iv5ag8j wrote

Spoken as a true socialist, so we should all live in mud huts as the elites sip champagne? I like nationalism and Love MY country.

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[deleted] t1_iv1iq6j wrote

Good thing the chinese space station is basically a smaller less capable skylab, which launched in the 70s.

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[deleted] t1_iv3jtnv wrote

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[deleted] t1_iv3mza1 wrote

No, I live in this place called "reality" where the chinese launched a shitty skylab clone and are performing experiments the rest of the world did 40 years ago.

It's not even a science station, it's a propaganda station.

Edit: found the wumaos in the thread

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Tuo_Larips t1_iv48chf wrote

You are a propaganda station

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[deleted] t1_iv495lx wrote

Nope, I'm telling you the reality, not what your tankie overlords tell you.

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