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LesbianCommander t1_j8iwhnc wrote

Reply to comment by marklondon66 in Michigan State cancels athletic events for 48 hours after campus shooting by PrincessBananas85

It's crazy. I've lived in the States, Canada, China and Japan in my life. Gun violence or mass shootings results in national or at least regional mourning.

But we're so used to it, even 2 days for people to grieve, or even just calming down, is too long for some people.

It's not normal in a lot of the world. But if America is all you know, you're the frog in the pot of increasingly boiling water. It's really depressing.

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sloppymcgee t1_j8jam46 wrote

Uvalde showed me that we are extremely far from a solution. It seemed like after the slaughter of 19 elementary school kids and two teachers, Texas grew stronger in their support of gun rights. Some states are absolutely out of their minds when it comes to their right to bear arms. Those poor kids died in vain

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Ferris_Wheel_Skippy t1_j8juk2e wrote

It's interesting you brought up Uvalde. My earliest memory of a mass shooting was Columbine in 1999

then there were a string of them, so many of them at this point that I've forgotten. I know there was Virginia Tech, and then Rep. Giffords getting shot in the head, and the Aurora Movie Theater and many more...but the one that really stood out to me was Sandy Hook in 2012, because of the young age of those poor kids who lost their lives that day because of some fucking ugly bloated-face moron with a bowl cut.

but then nothing happened. If anything, the pro-gun whackjobs got even more embedded and defensive in government. That's when I realized if people don't care about protecting kindergarteners, then they're never going to care

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Ferris_Wheel_Skippy t1_j8iyiw8 wrote

I was in South Korea about 9 years ago and all the people there asked me why this shit keeps happening in the U.S. I just shook my head and told them I had no clue and I am doubtful anything will ever change here

i just hope that my nephews can go to school safely and never have to be put in a situation where they could die over something as stupid as this. that's what really bothers me...just the absolute wasted life and people don't seem to care at all

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Catch11 t1_j8lob2m wrote

It only happens in low population density areas, among people who are isolated. There have been essentially no mass shootings done by people who live in highly populated areas. It's some sort of trend among extremely lonely and mentally ill people in the USA

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Sub7Agent t1_j8jaehn wrote

It's the lack of communal bonds and disregard for fellow humans as well as our multicultural background and Marxist agendas pitting different groups of people against each other. Also sexual deprivation/porn and incel ideologies.

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losprimera t1_j8kb268 wrote

thats quite a shotgun blast of theories youve got there.

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Sub7Agent t1_j8kgxlv wrote

Pretty obvious. The majority of mass shootings are either social outcasts, incels or culturally motivated (excluding gang shootings which are ignored anyway).

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losprimera t1_j8mhme1 wrote

correlation is not causation. For example, even if majority of shooters are all the things you claimed, consider their representative significance: if for each loner/incel/whatever there is one shooter, then there is singificant correlation. I doubt anyone has data to support a claim like this. How does one measure and define an incel in a way that is statistically relevant anyway? yea i dont know. cuz if its 1 shooter/10000 loner/incel/whatever, then its a somewhat weak correlation. For example, US national homicide rate is 6.5/100,000 people.

This is also not necessarily causation, e.g. did they become shooters BECAUSE of those mentioned factors? Because if everyone somewhat fits those descriptions (and they do. sexual activity and marriage rates are generally on the decline. The US dept of Health and Human Services do track some of that data.) then there is weak reason to presuppose causation beyond a simple observation that both are on the increase and bears monitoring.

Edit: This is actually a good thread ill be sure to use in classroom instruction.

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Sub7Agent t1_j8ng7f1 wrote

It's not rocket science.

How many female school shooters do you know?

https://unherd.com/2022/05/why-young-men-become-shooters/

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losprimera t1_j8qewj2 wrote

It's not rocket science, but claims must still be substantiated by science. And that means using scientific methodologies. Your article brings up interesting points, but ultimately fails cite anything more than conjecture. That is expected of a non-academic piece of writing, but it holds little persuasive power. Obviously there must be hard data pointing towards your claim, but until you and I both know it, claims of any sort are rather pointless. Surely you see the logic here?

Edit: violent crime is predominantly men because males exhibit more violent tendencies at the extreme percentiles than women. That is to say, if one witnesses a violent crime, it's more than likely perpetrated by a man. So if extreme violence tends to be committed by a male, then all the more so for mass shootings. What even is the argument here?

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SpankMyButt t1_j8kzltz wrote

Sure, this is dumb as f***

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Sub7Agent t1_j8lhohq wrote

The guns aren't shooting people on their own. What do you think is motivating people to kill others?

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SpankMyButt t1_j8luycw wrote

People have been killing people in cruel and pointless ways since the dawn of time. But this is American exceptionalism, in no other "western" county is there a similar situation. Why? I don't know but the access to guns is exceptionally easy in the US.

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Sub7Agent t1_j8mg657 wrote

Why is being a Western country important if you believe culture is insignificant?

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SpankMyButt t1_j8mi92y wrote

I don't remember saying it's insignificant. Please point to where I have written that.

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lilwanna t1_j8j647n wrote

I work in student housing around the MSU campus area and my company said to handle today “business as usual”. Blew my mind.

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