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ThereIsBearCum t1_ivhy6h5 wrote

Reply to comment by DfenselessOldLady in Messi and Ronaldo look set for final shot at World Cup glory by 29PiecesOfSilver

Do you avoid littering? One person putting their rubbish in the bin won't affect the billions of tonnes of rubbish that ends up in the ocean, but I'm sure you do it anyway, and I doubt it's because you want to virtue signal.

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Lego105 t1_ivi2kfu wrote

You’re comparing littering on your local area comprised of at most a few hundred thousand at a time to a 3,500,000,000 viewership sporting event having even a few million not watching it. Not comparable, it’s a virtue signal at best and delusion at worst.

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ThereIsBearCum t1_ivi46d5 wrote

No, I'm comparing it to a litterer's effect on the amount of rubbish in the ocean.

Besides, how does scale change the comparison? 1 person doing something wrong doesn't mean that 10 people doing it would be right.

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Lego105 t1_ivi4mdy wrote

What exactly is the purpose of a boycott if not to have an effect on the thing being boycott? Which you can’t do when you are being outcompeted but an unfathomable amount of people.

If it was all about doing the right thing and that human rights and deaths over slave Labour couldn’t be abided by no matter what, you wouldn’t have a phone or computer to use Reddit with made by the same type of impoverished workers who die in the conditions they work in to make them in the same sort of horrific political systems and countries, same with literally anything made from metal, rubber and any number of natural resources. But you don’t boycott them, because it isn’t about that is it?

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ThereIsBearCum t1_ivi5aw4 wrote

So why don't you litter?

I own a phone because I need it to participate in society. I don't have a choice in that. All of us have a choice on whether or not we boycott the World Cup this year.

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Lego105 t1_ivi6fsv wrote

I don’t litter because it has tangible consequences, it causes disease to spread and it can kill animals directly as a result of my actions. That is true regardless of whether those around me litter or not.

You don’t need a phone to participate in society, that’s an excuse and you know it. If you believe an excuse so pathetic excuses the death, labour and human rights abuses in third world countries used to make your phone you’re more deluded than I thought. You use a phone because it’s convenient, it provides you with a better standard of living at the cost of someone’s human rights being abused to bring it to you directly. You have as much choice on having a phone as you do watching the World Cup. If right and wrong truly mattered to you, you wouldn’t have a phone which brings about much more tangible consequences than watching or not watching the World Cup ever would. Like I said, right and wrong doesn’t come into it.

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ThereIsBearCum t1_iviae2u wrote

Watching the World Cup has tangible consequences. It tells FIFA that you're ok with their choice of host working people to death to make it happen. It also tells them that you're ok with ignoring their choice of host's human rights situation.

> You don’t need a phone to participate in society

I don't think you acutally believe that. If you do, try it for a month and see how far you get.

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hmgg t1_ivis68j wrote

There are people who don't use smartphones, you know that right?

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ThereIsBearCum t1_ivis80u wrote

Are you one of them?

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hmgg t1_ivish83 wrote

No, because I don't give a shit. I'll also watch the WC because me not watching will make 0 difference. However there are plenty of people (some of whom I know) that don't have smartphones and they live just fine lives. Almost as if society survived without them until 15 years ago.

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ThereIsBearCum t1_ivisoxm wrote

Try living without one for a month then if you stand by that claim.

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hmgg t1_ivistsf wrote

Why should I? As I said, I don't care. I also don't use my phone every day like most people. Just because you can't comprehend something, doesn't mean it's not realistic. P.S. No, I'm not a boomer

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ThereIsBearCum t1_ivisyob wrote

If you don't care, why'd you comment?

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hmgg t1_ivit69g wrote

I don't care about protesting something is what I meant. You're acting like having a phone is a life vital thing and I just wanted to give my perspective: I know people who choose not to have smartphone because it makes them happier so it's not even realated to a moral issue. So it's very much possible to live without one.

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ThereIsBearCum t1_ivithya wrote

So what do these people do in society? How do they participate in it without a phone?

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hmgg t1_ivitp6c wrote

I'm sorry but that's such a ridiculous question that I'm gonna have to stop here. I really hope you're 12-14 years old because if you're an adult, there are some problems here.

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ThereIsBearCum t1_ivittmt wrote

You say they exist and participate in society. I don't believe you, so I'm asking you to back it up. This is pretty simple man. If you made these people up, just say so.

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