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assassbaby t1_j1vxt9k wrote

Reply to comment by hytes0000 in Patrick Star commentates for a play during the Broncos-Rams game by upvoter222

so all those stats and superbowl appearances and win in SEA was all smoke and mirrors and totally was being held together by the defenses?

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hytes0000 t1_j1vzphd wrote

In part, but Denver's defense has been really good this year and are top 10 DVOA even after getting torched last week. Russ just isn't the same guy he was, hurt or otherwise, I hope he can get it back together next year. He was on a likely HoF track before this year.

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SandSeraph t1_j1w2qlb wrote

It was also a system largely designed around having one of the top RBs in the league. When Marshawn can go off for 150 any given game it opens up the long ball that Wilson was "the best" at. Now, with a middling run game, he is getting exposed. It doesn't help that he simultaneously seems to have lost a significant amount of accuracy.

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slapshots1515 t1_j1xcv5k wrote

That was certainly true when Marshawn was there, but he’s been gone since 2015 (aside from a brief cup of coffee return). Their RBs since then have been nowhere near that caliber. Wilson has a ton of issues this year, but it’s not just that he doesn’t have a top RB-he hasn’t for most of his prime.

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SandSeraph t1_j1xe2qf wrote

The name might not have been as big but the efficiency was for several of those years. 16-17 were rough for them, but Carson put up good numbers in 18-19. I think he was over 1,100 yards in both seasons. Not 2012 lynch numbers, but the Broncos haven't had a rusher break 1,100 yards in a season since McGahee in 2011. It's a completely different offensive package, and the way our front office operates, we need a gunslinger to even be competitive. Look at 2016 to now, even with the Super Bowl year, we have been abysmal on offense and rely on stellar D because we only know how to play offensive football if we have a top 5 quarterback.

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slapshots1515 t1_j1xq9sv wrote

Chicken and egg. Wilson was as important for the rushing game as the rushing game was for Wilson in Seattle. I like Carson a lot, but trust me when I say he was nothing special as an athlete-just a tough as nails north-south runner willing to give his all. The system wasn’t designed around a top RB post-Lynch. The Broncos could easily find themselves a Chris Carson, I guarantee you that. You’re looking at the results, not the play on the field.

That being said, it was, however, designed around a heavy run-pass balance. That’s definitely not the type of offense Hackett ran this year. Wilson doesn’t need a top five RB, but there does need to be changes from this year.

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GingerScourge t1_j1xocmp wrote

Lifelong Seahawks fan here. During that time he was younger and more mobile. He also had one of the best RBs in the league at the time. The Seahawks were one of the hardest teams to defend against because they had one of the most athletic QBs in the league, top tier RB, and a solid receiver core. Russ’s height wasn’t a huge disadvantage because they were running mostly an option offense, and Russ was great at reading defenses.

Russ has been slowing down lately and the Seahawks haven’t had a really good season in a few years. The Broncos traded a good portion of their future and a quarter billion in total cap space for an aging, undersized QB who worked well in a very specific offense at a time when he was in his prime.

When I first heard of the trade I was disappointed but not surprised. The writing has been on the wall for a couple years. When I saw what we got in return, I knew who got the better end of the deal. Im friends with a few Broncos fans and they kept giving me shit and making fun of (now probowler) Geno Smith. I kept telling them they’d have a losing season and wouldn’t make the playoffs, citing the above.

Who’s a bitch now, Brendan!

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assassbaby t1_j1zoaiw wrote

i completely agree with all this but is he that bad now that he clearly cant see a defender in the way of his receivers, like he regressed that much or is the offense in general not knowing the playbook vs what he thinks is the playbook?

i mean this could be one of the biggest falls from grace when it comes to “elite” quarterbacks that won a superbowl early on then became a bust?

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GingerScourge t1_j227xlr wrote

I didn’t really explain it well in my last post. Basically, when he was with the Seahawks and they were doing well, there were a lot of pieces in place that made it happen. Russ’s flaws (mostly his height) weren’t an issue because defenses had to defend against pass, rush and keeper on every play. Even his best pass plays were outside the pocket where he didn’t have to see over 6’5” lineman. He has been a decent pocket passer, but that’s not what he’s best at.

Fast forward to this season. He’s older, slower, less athletic. He doesn’t have a top tier RB. He can’t scramble like he could 7 or 8 years ago. His receiver core is relatively mediocre. And because of all of this, he’s forced to try to make things happen in the pocket. But because all those things that were a threat from the Seahawks just don’t exist anymore, he’s much easier to defend against. His height is now a problem, and we’re seeing he was always just a decent pocket passer.

Add all of this to the fact that he’s pissing off and embarrassing his teammates saying stupid shit like God is testing them. It’s really no wonder he’s not playing well. The flaws he’s always had are being magnified. And it’s obvious that the Seahawks success with Russ wasn’t a case of “Russ is amazing.” It was more a case of, “Right place, right time. Perfect storm of ability across the entire team, and Russ fit in perfectly there.”

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