Always_0421 t1_j898muj wrote on February 12, 2023 at 4:37 PM

Someone else saying the same thing you're saying on a facebook page isn't the evidence people are looking for.

A video, or a statement from the Sheriff's office comfirmimg these tactics would be good proof.

EcoAffinity t1_j899p38 wrote on February 12, 2023 at 4:44 PM

Christie Love isn't just "somebody". She's the founder and Pastor of The Connecting Grounds. Many would argue she is the leading knowledgeable expert on homelessness in Springfield, and she and her church are integral to any effective outreach initiatives. Her entire church is for the purpose of service. She led the effort to find other churches and places to open their doors during that insane freeze before Christmas.

She's not making anything up for internet clout. She is a trustworthy leader who lives to serve, particularly for North Springfield.

Always_0421 t1_j89ca2k wrote on February 12, 2023 at 5:01 PM

Ok, the arguably leading moat knowledgeable expert on homelessness in springfield making an unsubstantiated claim, still remains unsubstatiated.

You're reading the skepticism of many here on both sides of the issue.

When people ask for evidence, they aren't asking for an opinion or an appeal to authority, but I suspect you already understand that.

EcoAffinity t1_j89dmsf wrote on February 12, 2023 at 5:10 PM

So, you are not believing the claims of the victims until the assailant confirms them. This isn't the first time service providers have been notified by homeless groups that their belongings have been doused in gasoline and set on fire by law enforcement. And we've already had instances this year where the sheriff has illegally destroyed camps without the 24 hr notice required within Springfield limits. Or posting photos from a different raid months ago when releasing a public statement. This sheriff is extremely shady, particularly when it comes to the homeless because the larger public chooses to not support these folks and allows their handling to go unchecked.

Always_0421 t1_j89dqxy wrote on February 12, 2023 at 5:11 PM

Im saying people are asking for proof of these claims and you're citing a facebook post (from a self described activist)

EcoAffinity t1_j89ejue wrote on February 12, 2023 at 5:17 PM

It's not a "Facebook post", but the direct relay of information provided from the homeless individuals whose belongings were burned to service folks who have boots on the ground every day with these groups and know them as equals and friends.

You are choosing instead to wait to see what the Sheriff's narrative will be concerning these atrocities despite them having a repeated history of such similar acts.

Always_0421 t1_j89hsxv wrote on February 12, 2023 at 5:38 PM

>It's not a "Facebook post"

This is the link you posted as an offer of evidence or proof: "https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10227836331829475&id=1105524839&mibextid=Nif5oz"

This is quite literally a facebook post.

I'm not saying it has to be a press release or narrative from the sheriff's office (although they'd surely have public record of such, if someone wanted to take the time to substantiate a serious claim like this), but that'd be one form of evidence most would accept.

Alternative a video or pictures might convince some who are skeptical as well; this has reportedly been going on for weeks and the claims being made have no proof to substantiate them.

Im just saying when you're making a serious claim like this, and people ask for evidence of your claim, a facebook post from a self identified activist isn't going to sway many, if any.

EcoAffinity t1_j8djziu wrote on February 13, 2023 at 2:54 PM

I haven't posted any links, and your link doesn't work for me. However, Christie's original Facebook post does have video with it. It happened over the weekend, the Sheriff's department will likely respond sometime this week, as they tend to stretch several days before reporting on actions against the homeless.

While you're trying to champion for the sheriff's office, it's clear you choose to or are just generally ignorant of their actions. They made press releases several times over the last couple months regarding homeless raids, and, again, just recently did a press release on a raid in January while using pictures from a raid during the summer. It changes the optics when you show photos of nice warm green areas being "cleared out" and not the reality of camps and personal belongings being destroyed in the dead of winter.

Congratulations on editing your other post multiple hours after your initial hard-hitting comment of

>Im.sayimg people are asking for proof of these claims and you're citing a facebook post.

Yeah, an activist (who's a religious leader and literally started her church to help the homeless and is one of the most effective outreach initiatives in Springfield) automatically debunks the claim. The police, and Sheriff Jim Arnott are so much more Christ-like and genuinely good folks who do nothing but out of the goodness of their own hearts and never try to push a hate-filled agenda against those "different" from Jim Arnott. Ignorant.

Always_0421 t1_j8dkv7f wrote on February 13, 2023 at 3:01 PM

The claim being made is about arson and destroying private private. I haven't seen a video of this. If there is please share it.

Also. Believe me, I am no champion of the sheriff's office.

Benway23 t1_j898b5x wrote on February 12, 2023 at 4:34 PM

Thank you.

Benway23 t1_j89nb33 wrote on February 12, 2023 at 6:16 PM

Damn, link is gone for me. But, I absolutely believe every word.

the_honeyman OP t1_j89ng7h wrote on February 12, 2023 at 6:16 PM

Open it in your regular browser. Or, just search Facebook for Christie Love. It's one of her statuses.

Benway23 t1_j89njn5 wrote on February 12, 2023 at 6:17 PM