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slashinvestor t1_jdoapb7 wrote

I wonder if that is anti-competitive... Has been a while since Microsoft's knuckles have been rapped.

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Ibebadatthis t1_jdobdg1 wrote

This is how we know AI chat bots are a long way from taking over…they use Bing

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OG_sirloinchop t1_jdoforg wrote

Yeah, force the market off your platform... makes total sense

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psyon t1_jdogs3g wrote

Replying to slashinvestor (#2,360,190)

There was a court case I think involved Linked-In that was like this. A different company built a business from scraping their public pages, then Linked-in blocked them and got sued. Courts sided with the other business.

edit i have been corrected. HiQ was initially granted an injunction that prevented LinkedIn from preventing scraping. That injunction was initially upheld by the appeals court. It was later vacated and LinkedIn won the case.

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Buttons840 t1_jdosikk wrote

Step 1) Chat bot rivals use each others data.

Step 2) One of the rivals gets upset and sues.

Step 3) They argue that it's not fair for chat bots to be trained on other's data.

Step 4) They win their case and both chat bots are shut down.

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drysart t1_jdp0y1f wrote

Replying to psyon (#2,360,790)

LinkedIn won that case because the data that was being scraped didn't belong to LinkedIn (it belonged to the users who submitted it), so they had no grounds to claim copyright protection over it, and because the scraper otherwise had no contractual relationship with LinkedIn that would preclude them from doing so.

This is not that case.

Definitely for the former reason; since it involves the Bing API, which you do have to agree to a contract with Microsoft for access to and is not available non-authenticated or anonymously -- so normal contract law applies and if the terms of the contract say "you can't use this API to do that" then you can't use that API to do that.

And very possibly for the former reason too; since it's not the content of the indexed pages that being used but the compilation and organization of it; which courts have held is copyrightable even if you don't own the specific pieces of content themselves. Bing doesn't have copyright over the pages indexed, but they very likely could claim copyright over the fact that their search returns those specific results.

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ericneo3 t1_jdp285r wrote

Lol this is the quickest case of pulling up the ladder so that others cannot also have the success that you have, I've ever seen.

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PaulClarkLoadletter t1_jdp5rb5 wrote

Microsoft: “Come on, people. Use Bing.”

Also Microsoft: “No, not like that.”

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thatmikeguy t1_jdpbhwj wrote

AI WarS, here we go. Eventually claim it's sentient, and then say it must have human rites.

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gizamo t1_jdpko0i wrote

Replying to whyreadthis2035 (#2,361,187)

It's part of the ToS. This was a warning, if they don't stop (they won't), there will be lawsuits. The US companies will comply with the court rulings. The Chinese won't. And, that's how the Chinese win the AI wars. Game over, man. Game over.

This hyperbole brought to you by your friendly neighborhood bored drunk guy.

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Mobiusman2016 t1_jdpl5dh wrote

Lol. The cats out of the bag. You wanted AI, here it is. You Cannot put it back.

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pixel_of_moral_decay t1_jdpshin wrote

Replying to drysart (#2,362,904)

That’s not entirely correct. LinkedIn has copyright on the presentation. Data can not be copyrighted.

Scraping isn’t a right, any website can block or restrict scrapers regardless of content rights since there’s no SLA in place. Which is ultimately what it comes down to.

Users don’t really have a say in terms of the content they submit. They give LinkedIn the right to do pretty much anything with the data.

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DreadSeverin t1_jdpsphz wrote

we're leaving AI development to companies with this mentality, great

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Itchy_Tiger_8774 t1_jdpujp4 wrote

The AI can’t be very good if it’s using Bing to find its responses.

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MicroSofty88 t1_jdpum3h wrote

Next: websites order bing to stop using their data and content, rendering the search engine useless

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SatoshisStalker t1_jdpx4x9 wrote

Microsoft just trying too look cool. I don’t think anyone (or chatbot) uses bing.

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ptd163 t1_jdpx8h3 wrote

Replying to TheFriendlyArtificer (#2,360,437)

>Which is Bing's only redeeming feature.

I know this is a meme, but Bing is really not that much better any another search engine anymore. What Bing is good (at least they were at the time I tried this which was many years ago so don't quite me) at is hiding that you're watching porn by using their videos tab. Your traffic won't say you're on PornHub for example, it'll say your on Bing.

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Archy54 t1_jdpylqg wrote

Capitalism is about innovation...../s anticompetitive practices, what have they got to fear?

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jeerabiscuit t1_jdq18tf wrote

I remember when bing was sued for using google results...

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Zieprus_ t1_jdq861e wrote

If this is true this presents a huge opportunity for google. History has shown that this closed/protectionist business model that Microsoft started a few years back and only seems to be getting worse eventually leads to them being left behind.

ChatGPT is not something they developed and the more it strays from Open-AI the more good people they lose. Having also a CEO who has only ever know Microsoft will eventually catch them out. Not saying they are not successful now just that the closed minded arrogance are warning signs to come.

Edit:Spelling mistake

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lightknight7777 t1_jdqgtzb wrote

Why would you use Bing? I seldom get what I want when I do, surely that would hurt their result accuracy.

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GongTzu t1_jdql4s2 wrote

Bing plowing through other websites data so they can come up with the right results. Bing being angry someone uses data they plowed from other websites, the irony is striking. MS are as usually playing the victim.

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pier4r t1_jdqs2ar wrote

Replying to Correct_Influence450 (#2,360,394)

GPT 3,5 and 4: "we are trained over vast data collected over the internet, written by users over a long time. And books and articles on arxiv and all other things that needed quite some effort"

Also GPT: "you cannot copy from us!!"

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59ekim t1_jdrhtmm wrote

They should use DuckDuckGo.

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marksda t1_jdrnjej wrote

Is Microsoft is having trouble identifying bots?

Have bots mastered Microsoft’s Turing test?

Why all the bluster?

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noctrise t1_jds9mhh wrote

no one even wants bings data. dont fool yourself

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Beardyhermit t1_jdunzgm wrote

It really doesn’t matter , I doubt that Bing has anything of value. It’s been rubbish anytime I’ve used it.

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