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borgendurp t1_itz07e5 wrote

>clearance

Is clearance the right word here?

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at_lasto t1_itz0tft wrote

Leverage seems more appropriate.

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Gberg888 t1_itz0zv8 wrote

Protection is the right word. As soon as the us has that factory up and running and the proper people staffing and it's known its making the current gen chips and can make the next gen chips... the us has less of a reason to protect Taiwan...

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Worth-Reputation3450 t1_itz4o1q wrote

I think keeping China from getting the best foundry company in the world is enough reason for the US to protect Taiwan.

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Gberg888 t1_itziz58 wrote

As soon as that plant is up to snuff if China did invade I guarantee you'd see a US strike on the infrastructure of tsmc...

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GetOutOfTheWhey t1_iu2kc4c wrote

I doubt there would be a strike. Bombing your allies even to prevent knowledge getting to the enemy is unpalatable.

So the alternative is probably a few kilos of plastic explosive lined inside the concrete walls.

Then chalk it up to an accident or miscalculation.

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Kaionacho t1_itzl260 wrote

I not quite sure about that tbh. The US doesn't really want to go to war with China for obvious reasons.

I would say the US would more likely bomb all TSMC facilities to the ground, If TSMC is not needed anymore,

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f0me t1_itz7ria wrote

Reducing China’s naval access into the greater Pacific remains a major reason

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Deicide1031 t1_itzetk5 wrote

Not necessarily true. The states has a vested interested in maintaining an order, and if nations can just snap up countries liberally so close to say japan and South Korea it’ll bring up the question of whether or not the states is really still top dog and interested in maintaining order. It’s not just the chips.

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pmmbok t1_itz99mv wrote

It will take decades before the better and always better ethos of tsm is internalized by a new player..

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DjScenester t1_itzg3ko wrote

Source? Because I have a feeling in five years we will be good

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pmmbok t1_iu1t9wf wrote

No source. Just an opinion. From life. It takes a while to build a culture of excellence.

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saberline152 t1_itzg92h wrote

nah, keep in mind that US weapons need chips and if something were to happen during a conflict they now have their own ability to make the chips necessary. Look at how much it is hurting Russia just to not get the chips they need

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CypripediumCalceolus t1_iu0kign wrote

Military chips are very different from competitive commercial tech. Military and aerospace use well-known older tech refined to always work even in the most terrible conditions. Tech from ten years ago is good.

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Gberg888 t1_itzirtu wrote

Why do you think the US just passed the chips act? Why do you think there is a massive push to get chips made domestically in the USA?

It's so the usa doesn't have to rely on others to support the USA everything... economy as a whole, tech and developments of tech, and the military...

If the US doesn't have to ship it in and import it then it saves money and is much better protected from a military conflict as we are seeing now.

The added benefit is that Taiwan, as much as the US loves it, is at odds with a much bigger trading partner and the other global power, atleast in paper. Removing tension by removing the US reliance on chips manufacturered there helps dramatically... to the detriment of Taiwan of course.

It removes a key point of need for the US paving the way to pull back ambiguity. I bet you'll see a true language shift in the rhetoric by politicians about the defense of Taiwan as soon as that plant is up and going.

"Dos equis" I guarantee it!

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eiamhere69 t1_itzigf6 wrote

The waters surrounding Taiwan and other parts of this region are extremely important trade routes.

Not to mention, having a few fabrication plants up and running is not nearly enough to fulfil world wide demand.

The US fans are first and foremost are protection and deterrent, against China taking Taiwan soon. It's well known, this is there long time goal and will inevitably be acted upon at some point.

Taiwan know if they give up all fabrication (not that this can be done quickly), it leaves them wide open, so only a few fabs have been negotiated.

It's still a very long road. All he above is just a very, very rudimentary political assessment and doesn't even touch on the economics.

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OccasinalMovieGuy t1_iu196oa wrote

Considering that the experts in such fields won't cross a few thousands, in case of an war, USA would already have plans to evacuate them. US intelligence can sniff out if Taiwan would be invaded and they can shift the experts to either Japan or Korea within days.

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Smaggies t1_itzi8z9 wrote

Containing China is the US's primary reason for defending Taiwan. Leverage is more appropriate because Taiwan absolutely will not be losing US protection because of this.

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JRizzie86 t1_iu03nqc wrote

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

For real though...it seems China IS coming for Taiwan, which puts the US at a difficult crossroads. If the US has their own means of manufacturing chips there is no doubt they will avoid direct conflict with China.

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alienlizardlion t1_itz69uj wrote

Reading back I knew it wasn’t the right word but the context conveyed what I wanted so I was too lazy to go back. Security assurance is more like it.

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notrab t1_iu0yqzb wrote

Where do you think the US military gets their chips for advanced missel systems?

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