Submitted by Vailhem t3_yfm3z1 in technology
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asdaaaaaaaa t1_iu41kol wrote
You mean companies are about to get a big payout for doing next to nothing? I'd be surprised if they actually used most of that money for the purpose it's meant for, instead of just doing stock buy-backs and such.
councilmember t1_iu44xil wrote
Yeah, why not just mandate the work we paid for first time?
BogBabe t1_iu459lt wrote
Yeah, we've heard this before.
It's 2023, and if it weren't for Elon Musk and Starlink, we still wouldn't have anything close to broadband. Five miles east of me, they have broadband. Three miles west of me, they have broadband. And I'm still sitting here going "what am I, chopped liver?"
PoorPDOP86 t1_iu46ohp wrote
Rural of course meaning "proper" communities that "vote correctly" aka Democrats. You're not going to see places like Boonville, NY or Sulphur Springs, TX ever see money for this.
ExplanationJolly779 t1_iu477ol wrote
After the last round a local co op here got funding to connect rural areas. Now I have one gig up and down, without Spectrum.
cgernaat119 t1_iu47prw wrote
Do you live with me? This sounds too familiar.
Mr_Kittlesworth t1_iu47qu0 wrote
To be fair, prior funding was run through different programs and wasn’t for fiber.
Things are in a much different and more productive place now between the ARPA and Infrastructure Bill programs - this is actually going to be good.
Waspkeeper t1_iu47z60 wrote
Round 2 fiber Boogaloo.
Blissontap t1_iu48eb1 wrote
Nicely timed for Trump’s reemergence on twitter. Because what rural areas need is more bandwidth.
donotmatthews t1_iu48i5o wrote
Spectrum wants $10,000 to run a line to my house. The closes the house to me with cable internet is 3,200ft by their estimates. I have T-Mobile as my main internet and starlink as my failover. It’s awful out here.
FlyingCockAndBalls t1_iu48m43 wrote
literally rent free
Flowzyy t1_iu48sno wrote
Just because red leaders pull this bullshit, doesn’t mean everyone does…
Don’t forget about all those congressmen who shit on Biden’s bills then turned around and bragged to their constituents on the hard work they did to secure funds for their district/state
JonSnowL2 t1_iu48xgs wrote
Let’s hope. Enough people already can’t tell the difference between a fact from a real source, and some non sense from Russian propaganda website. Don’t need to give these people even easier internet access to get further radicalized
[deleted] t1_iu4901o wrote
Yeah Okay lol. Telecom companies wrote the book on this shit.
-29- t1_iu492ga wrote
I live in a rural area where a local ISP actually rolled out a LOT of fiber. Problem is, they stopped 2 city blocks short of my property and refuse to put in any more fiber because the county is no longer considered "under served"
EDIT
I should say I am not without internet. I do have Comcast, which is a whole other can of worms.
Funny-Education2496 t1_iu494mr wrote
I'm all in favor of this, but the whole point of Starlink is to accomplish exactly this. Why not break off a piece of this grant and use it to contract Starlink to provide dishes to these regions.
MetaStressed t1_iu49b0i wrote
The fact that internet is not a utility yet is further proof congress needs to have term limits and lobbyists need to be illegal.
Minorous t1_iu49g1k wrote
It's never good enough for you right? Republican give trillions to corporations you dimwits don't even bat an eye. Here they're trying to help communities, students and less fortunate and here we are, moron is beating his drums and expunging his ignorance.
Minorous t1_iu49jvs wrote
Literally willfully ignorant.
Superb_Efficiency_74 t1_iu49smj wrote
I feel like I have deja vu.
kickasstimus t1_iu49tk8 wrote
There better be some accountability this time.
lord_pizzabird t1_iu4adu6 wrote
Tbf there was a roll-out of wireless options that circumvented cable companies intentionally blocking development.
Source: I'm one of the people effected. I'm now on 5g Tmobile ISP.
edthesmokebeard t1_iu4ahex wrote
No. ISPs are getting another 759M in free money.
edthesmokebeard t1_iu4akpr wrote
Let me guess, you think it's a basic human right, like housing or medical care?
lightning228 t1_iu4anpe wrote
Haha. No they are not. This isn't the first time rural America has been shorted with the promise of high speed internet
BlkOwndYtFam t1_iu4aqnd wrote
>Paid for it
Well we gave them tax breaks, but ya, kinda.
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BlkOwndYtFam t1_iu4auhi wrote
I live in a rural area and just recently got fiber.
Tactical_Crabman t1_iu4b4w7 wrote
My local government is going to be so happy to be getting a new fleet of cars for the police with this grant money
likesleague t1_iu4b56a wrote
750m of "r&d" and 9m to bribe congress for more
Madmagican- t1_iu4be0b wrote
In this day and age, yes
Tactical_Crabman t1_iu4bqim wrote
The whole system around infrastructure is super corrupt I expect maybe a 1/3 of it will actually go to building new lines
pakito1234 t1_iu4bx22 wrote
Just in time for Peon Musk to keep people indoctrinated.
Mr_Kittlesworth t1_iu4c1fp wrote
Have you actually looked at any of the new rules?
No one gets any money up front. States and localities are involved and have the ability to submit their own plans. The government isn’t allowed to discriminate against coops or munis
Thesonomakid t1_iu4c542 wrote
Neither of those two places will receive funding because they don’t qualify. Both Booneville, NY and Sulphur Springs, TX both have gig-speed internet available.
SurgicalWeedwacker t1_iu4dfnw wrote
Because Elon musk is petty enough to stop supporting Ukraine because zelensky won’t worship him. Also, satellites have some disadvantages like being destroyed by space debris
ian2121 t1_iu4dpzy wrote
Yeah, the local providers have been going crazy with fiber near me.
parkedr t1_iu4ej39 wrote
I have Starlink at my house in the country and fiber at my house in the city and Starlink sucks hard in comparison. I’d much rather my tax money go towards fiber than lining Elon’s pockets.
HorseRadish98 t1_iu4euaj wrote
Me: wants us to gradually become the federation, where we evolve beyond the drive to acquire more wealth
This guy: Idk guys the ferengi look pretty great
IPushButton t1_iu4fu6z wrote
"Mega corporations to get money for claiming to update internet in rural areas."
kstip t1_iu4fzwg wrote
So not every human deserves housing or medical care? You seem like a nice person.
caracole t1_iu4g4a4 wrote
In our area there is fiber at the main streets but everyone has long driveways and it costs 10’s of thousands for an approved contractor to trench it to the house. My parents were quoted over $60,000. How is this helpful? How does this make any average person closer to getting fiber at their home?
bengringo2 t1_iu4iw3m wrote
I’ve been surprised how well T-Mobile 5G Home works. I have both it and Verizon 5G Home (My work mandates backup ISP’s) and it blows Verizon out of the water. I thought the opposite was going to be true.
All_The_Nolloway t1_iu4k5fc wrote
or according to Russians.... Russia.
JustNeedAUsername12 t1_iu4k9es wrote
I’m sure most of them voted against it though
The_onlyPope t1_iu4lbxn wrote
Let me guess, you’re stupid and have a let’s go Brandon flag in your front yard.
kira7setsuna t1_iu4n681 wrote
theyre not getting internet, again
Flame87 t1_iu4o3ir wrote
Well considering you don't think people deserve those either, we already know that you don't actually want an answer. You just want somebody to respond so ecan go on an unhinged rant about the internet belonging to the 1% or what the fuck ever.
Nobody cares my dude. Go fasch somewhere else.
SenorScratchySack t1_iu4o7wg wrote
Bunch of welfare queens
papak33 t1_iu4ompx wrote
Slovenian here, thanks to the EU founds, now they deploy Optical lines together with electricity.
Even my rural village of 600 people have top shit Internet.
As always, go to your local governor and demand he tries to get some of this money for developing your little area.
evil_burrito t1_iu4p7pd wrote
Well, we're certainly not getting any infrastructure out here.
Wandyman999 t1_iu4pga3 wrote
Thanks Obama!!
nick1812216 t1_iu4pmrv wrote
Isn’t the ratio of federal aid received vs federal tax paid higher for red states than blue states?
[deleted] t1_iu4pqr2 wrote
What you’re suggesting is actually really counterproductive
fortfive t1_iu4ps0o wrote
I think this is round 5 or 6 . . .
mikewoodson97 t1_iu4pt68 wrote
Was this sarcasm? It feels like sarcasm, and it sucks that we don’t know anymore.
fortfive t1_iu4q91y wrote
I share the sentiment, but term limits (at least if they're too short) and ending of lobbyists will simply shift the corruption around.
It doesn't matter, it all has to end in revolution of some sort. If there is one group who will never vote against their own interests, it's federal and state legislatures.
smaartypants t1_iu4qxzn wrote
Didn’t the government do this before and all the Internet companies just kept the money?
coffin420699 t1_iu4ty3d wrote
starlink is good for what it is, but it was never meant to be the champion of rural people. theres too many of em". we need to just run infrastructure to them and call it good for the next 50 years
Upstairs-Farmer t1_iu4uu6c wrote
Lol it’s cute you think you have a representative government they don’t give a shit sucks to be a Plēb
Flame87 t1_iu4v0rc wrote
I don't know what makes you think I'm holding my breath. The logical move and what gets done are in separate universes.
zazz1337 t1_iu4v39l wrote
Thanks for this, seems like the immediate reaction to everything now is negativity and mistrust lol. Might help to look i to the actual grant specificities and how it might play out first.
bagelizumab t1_iu4wccl wrote
they complain because they actually never get the internet. Comcast or some Satanic ISP just pocket most of the money.
Semi-Hemi-Demigod t1_iu4zjcc wrote
Because that would be socialism
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Marduk112 t1_iu51xfd wrote
Yes, why are we making it easy for MAGA country access to the internet? Does anyone honestly think conservatives would extend the same courtesy to their opponents? I’m so sick of the shittingly stupid political moves of my party.
Marduk112 t1_iu521ay wrote
Yes, you get it.
AREssshhhk t1_iu526ki wrote
So San Antonio
According-Classic658 t1_iu52uwt wrote
So another $759M for share holder dividends
unique3 t1_iu550bg wrote
> rural
> 2 city blocks.
Are you using that as a unit of measure for a country road or are you in a city/town development of some kind?
To me rural is when your nearest neighbour is measured in miles not feet.
rumncokeguy t1_iu553ao wrote
My rep voted against it. He has been taking credit for expanding internet I’m my state the minute the bill passed. What a pos.
bengtc t1_iu55itt wrote
So we can be charged on usage like other utilities?
Galvaknight t1_iu56kf5 wrote
This is ridiculous and counter-productive. No progress will ever be truly made as long as people are unwilling to extend a hand to others. It’s time to be better.
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hells_cowbells t1_iu58oty wrote
Yes. The state of Mississippi is suing AT&T for $283 million because they took the money from the FCC to roll out broadband to rural areas and didn't do it.
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_AccountSuspended_ t1_iu58ta4 wrote
Or.. maybe just buy all residents a starlink subscription?
DIYwcoldcoffee t1_iu59y5m wrote
Yeah,..just like the 96’ Telecom act said. Bullshit
disposition5 t1_iu5abq9 wrote
Actually probably a lot less effort than that.
An FCC appointee has been sitting on the shelf for over a year because the entire GOP and (reportedly) 2 Democratic senators are holding up the appointee.
But chances are folks are going to vote in favor of the GOP this cycle and then bitch & moan and act surprised when nothing of value is provided to regular folks.
THE_DICK_THICKENS t1_iu5b5qe wrote
By neglecting rural infrastructure you only reinforce the view many rural Americans have about the Democratic party, namely that they only care about urban development and not the needs of rural Americans. The political divide in the US is primarily an urban-rural divide.
Cryogenic_Monster t1_iu5byjd wrote
Comcast stock buy back incoming
adultdaycare81 t1_iu5da85 wrote
They will just use it to post memes about Socialism! Hey wait a minute (cries in taxpayer)
meatball402 t1_iu5dfu6 wrote
>Let me guess, you think it's a basic human right, like housing or medical care?
Yes
Do you think the poor should die from preventable diseases, just for not having the money to pay for the cure?
lard-blaster t1_iu5ecpw wrote
0% chance a violent revolution doesn't eventually end in dictatorship
GammaGames t1_iu5ewhb wrote
Support your local small ISPs and co-ops
vegence t1_iu5g1rb wrote
same here, all I could get is 1.25MBS dsl until about a month ago I finally got rural fiber and now i run at about 950MBS
Frumpy_little_noodle t1_iu5hjqd wrote
My property line is 30 feet from my neighbor's house. They have Spectrum and I can't get it because my house is over 300' from his.
-29- t1_iu5hqli wrote
The town I live in is in the middle of a farm community and only has 3000 ish people. So it’s not a Minden City or a Ruth but it’s definitely not a Bay City or Detroit.
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PreppyAndrew t1_iu5iuww wrote
See if your neighbor will install a point to point ap Like https://store.ui.com/products/ubb-us
You should be able to leach off their internet
Something like this>!
Spot-CSG t1_iu5m28f wrote
America's done it once before, they can do it again.
Ready-steady t1_iu5o49q wrote
When did we do this again? I remember it but cannot pin down the timeline.
lard-blaster t1_iu5ob53 wrote
What kind of leadership structure would you like to see after an ideal revolution?
gibson1963 t1_iu5ptku wrote
SO tired of all this BS they keep throwing at us.
LukeDude759 t1_iu5u07i wrote
And this is a stolen comment made by a bot account. Original
OJwasJustified t1_iu5uty1 wrote
I’m sick of my tax dollars going to red America. You choose to live in an area where it’s not economically efficient for private companies to invest in your infrastructure, you pay for it yourself.
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mockingbird13 t1_iu5vb5n wrote
You mean telecom CEOs get $759M in bonuses this year.
cptnobveus t1_iu5xpli wrote
Isp's want the taxpayers to foot the bill for the initial infrastructure and then they will gladly step in and maintain it for a small fee, once it is built.
I wish I could have had my business handed to me too.
BronzeHeart92 t1_iu5yvkn wrote
More than that, Internet should always be a RIGHT whatever it takes. That's something my country just happens to recognize.
RayseBraize t1_iu614yr wrote
Until Elon gets pissy and turns off your internet lol
RayseBraize t1_iu62wqc wrote
Would help if rural Americans would stop voting against their own interests.
RayseBraize t1_iu635et wrote
They still have to pay for the service genius. I get taxes are not the easiest subject but something any adult should be able to understand the basics of.
4354523031343932 t1_iu63hto wrote
I imagine it all depends who gets the funds but some regional fiber ISPs and co-ops have been running a lot of fiber in the midwest the past few years.
Esc_ape_artist t1_iu63vaq wrote
They’ll just keep the money and ask for a tax break too.
coffin420699 t1_iu64hhy wrote
pretty weird future we live in right? weve just accepted that as something he will likely do
Denidil_Taureran t1_iu65bxy wrote
amusingly the people who would benefit the most from it oppose it the most, as usual
Denidil_Taureran t1_iu65ef3 wrote
> needs to have term limits
people keep bringing this up, but it isn't actually a solution. it actually makes lobbyists more powerful.
the solution is to increase voter participation, voter knowledge, and to stop hiring almost exclusively lawyers to congress
insearchofanswers32 t1_iu65h1m wrote
So companies can spend all of it on corporate bonuses, then years later say it’s not possible to bring high speed internet to rural areas.
We’ve been here before.
Black_Moons t1_iu65h3l wrote
Second this. I got some 5ghz directional units ($150 each?) and could share internet at 100mbps solid with someone 200~300' away.
Protip: Don't buy 2.4ghz units unless you don't live near other people, because any apartment building will be so full of 2.4ghz signals that you'll never get your own signal through that noise.
2.4ghz has 3 non overlapping channels, 5ghz has dozens. But 5ghz won't go through walls, and even glass windows block a good deal of signal so you really gotta mount the units outside, or at least 1 outside and one in a window. (But this also means apartment buildings don't leak nearly as much 5ghz because all the walls stop it)
Minimum_Escape t1_iu67xeo wrote
It's true most of us would not benefit from rural people getting a bigger megaphone for spreading their controversial views.
Minimum_Escape t1_iu6848j wrote
Let's just copy Finland or Sweden. They seem to have their stuff together.
Denidil_Taureran t1_iu68cm7 wrote
No matter how many times we try to improve life in rural areas they tell us to eat shit and die, and prevent us from having nice things.
it's natural for people to get frustrated with that.
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Red_Carrot t1_iu68w1j wrote
As a person who does not live in a Rural area and a democrat. Good. They need it. This is what tax money is supposed to pay for, even if their representatives do not think they deserve it.
Hopefully it will actually get installed this time.
the_grungydan t1_iu6ay9r wrote
Which one of Cletus's cousins' "totally real companies" will be pocketing the money and doing nothing this time?
Alandales t1_iu6cjxs wrote
If someone else pays for the initial cost of something for the communal good, and I only have to pay an access or monthly fee…any adult should be able to comprehend the implication of a sarcastic Socialism…
ExplanationJolly779 t1_iu6i7pu wrote
I was so happy to kick Spectrum to the curb, now I just need a reliable mobile alternative.
andoryu123 t1_iu6mltn wrote
I am pretty sure US Rural areas was going to be one of the major backbones (other is US defense, and third world countries) to Starlink's business case. Wealthier US customers dispersed, not urban dense, and line of sight to satellites (think ground space) are the best customers.
HotFightingHistory t1_iu76fg5 wrote
Rural areas AT&T, Verizon, and Comcast are about to get $759 million richer.
Grouchy_Stuff_9006 t1_iu78cfw wrote
A billion dollars in grants on the cusp of starlink being globally available. Why bother?
Sapere_aude75 t1_iu797xs wrote
Maybe it's because they are simply acting selflessly to stand up for what's best for the country. The government is not exactly know for being an efficient allocator of capital.
Would you say it's amusing if I voted against a bill that would pay me 10 million a year by increasing taxes on the lowest bracket?
Denidil_Taureran t1_iu7ah6l wrote
> Maybe it's because they are simply acting selflessly to stand up for what's best for the country.
no, they aren't.
Sapere_aude75 t1_iu7be5p wrote
I disprove your thesis
Denidil_Taureran t1_iu7bibr wrote
no, you don't. you're under the delusion that kissing corporate ass and letting them run roughshod over you is "Standing up to the government"
id10t
Sapere_aude75 t1_iu7coy5 wrote
Lol No... Maybe you need to look in the mirror when making statements like that. You are suggesting that we give corporations lots of money for work that isn't economically justified. I don't know what about this has to do with "standing up to government".
I don't think we should be wasting money to bury a bunch of fiber when it's not economically viable. On top of that government programs add even more bureaucracy further inflating the cost. I'd rather just get a starlink, mobile broadband, radio internet, etc...
Your the idiot
Denidil_Taureran t1_iu7ddaw wrote
> Your the idiot
nice english, bro.
> You are suggesting that we give corporations lots of money for work that isn't economically justified.
I think it would be better if we just seized all the data infrastructure and nationalized it, due to them being fraudulent fuckers that pocketed the $400bn we invested 20 years ago. But that's SOCIALISMS COMMUNISTS NAZISMS according to you ignorant fuckers who vote republican.
The fact that you think you're some hero standing up the the corporations when you vote for the party of "kiss every corporate ass in existence, encourage regulatory capture, cut taxes for the 0.1% and break any attempt of the government to protect the consumer" just puts lie to your bullshit.
Sapere_aude75 t1_iu7fbve wrote
You're making the mistaken assumption that I vote republican... This has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with not wasting money. Government intervention almost always increases costs in the long run.
What do you suggest next. Shall we provide water hookups to every house in the country? 5 million for each house bumba fuck nowhere, but don't worry the tax payer will pay for it from our unlimited funds. This kind of reckless spending is what drives inflation that we must now suffer. Low income groups are hurt the most.
I guess using your logic, urban groups who make the most should be subsidizing car costs for rural populations without access to mass transit
Sapere_aude75 t1_iu7fhi6 wrote
Alse- you're an idiot if it makes you happy
Sapere_aude75 t1_iu7fvrw wrote
The only thing you have said that I agree with is enforcement of the agreement that was previously paid. They need to fulfill the contract they agreed to when they were paid. Nationalizing the data infrastructure is not the solution
miltonfriedman2028 t1_iu7ira9 wrote
We need to stop subsidizing rural areas so much. If you want a rural life style, great, but government shouldn’t be subsidizing your choices.
timberwolf0122 t1_iu7kqmc wrote
Okay, but this time let's put some penalty clauses into telco contracts so they Dont just take the money and run
timberwolf0122 t1_iu7kwns wrote
Star link doesn't have the capacity and ground cables will be faster and more reliable for the vast majority of rural locations. Star link is best suited for the very, very rural/off grid/remote island/at sea//in the air type locations
coffin420699 t1_iu7li22 wrote
youre not wrong, and im sure all the wealthiest people out there have it already..there wouldnt be enough space for everyone
Grouchy_Stuff_9006 t1_iu7lqvj wrote
By ‘cusp’ I just mean that starlink will have the capacity within the next couple of years that this money gets spent.
timberwolf0122 t1_iu7ly76 wrote
I'm still not 100% convinced by the long term viability or capacity of startling. Time will tell if this is a tesla or a complete hyper loop
Grouchy_Stuff_9006 t1_iu7nymv wrote
Personal opinion - starlink is what will make Elon the first trilionaire.
timberwolf0122 t1_iu7pmhj wrote
It’s not impossible, but it needs customer who doesn’t have access to any other form of internet, either 4/5G or cable. That number is going down fast.
Developing nations aren’t likely to have many subscribers at >$100/mo
fitsum_g t1_iu85mk9 wrote
>2 Democratic senators
Gee I wonder who they could be?
Thesonomakid t1_iu9j0nr wrote
I’m involved in inspecting multiple rural builds from the current awards. Some of the places are so rural I question why hundreds of millions of tax payer dollars were awarded to build them out with GPON. Yes, I said hundreds of millions - as in over $300 million to build out fiber to serve around 24,000 in 15 communities.
pillbinge t1_iu9kyjj wrote
Making it a utility would "normalize" having, using, and needing the internet, but the government should work against that. Especially since it can't contain what's on there at the moment, and can't really even help people. It barely regulates anything, and then it doesn't really enforce what it has on paper. Get to that point, then maybe it should consider it a utility.
Thesonomakid t1_iu9pd0m wrote
You might be surprised. I’m overseeing build outs in multiple rural areas - and very few people in those communities know what’s coming. I just ran across a local government study about broadband availability in those areas completed under a year ago and it said those areas were likely not going to be served. We complete construction Q3 2023 in those areas.
evil_burrito t1_iu9pjd8 wrote
I would love to be proven wrong.
Thesonomakid t1_iu9pqpr wrote
What town do you live in?
evil_burrito t1_iua5i39 wrote
I live in Central Oregon. As it happens someone has been laying thousands of miles of conduit which I have been told is for fiber, though I haven't been able to discover by whom or if there is any "last mile" plan.
Writing this out loud makes me feel kinda silly wrt my original comment. We've just been burned by big telcos on this subject for a long time.
Thesonomakid t1_iuabey7 wrote
I was just up in Oregon last month and was talking with some people there - there are quite a few fiber builds in small areas that are under construction. Pioneer Telephone Co-Op is building out Benton, Lane, Lincoln and Polk Counties.
The company I work for is building out massive swaths of the Southwest including some super small places (pop ~300 in one “town”) that are miles from anywhere. It just takes time. I know my projects have compelteion dates between 1 to 5 years, depending on the town.
KingRBPII t1_iu40wkl wrote
Give it to that guy who made his own isp!!! F big tech. They won’t use the money appropriately.