FriendlyDespot t1_iydbvy0 wrote on November 30, 2022 at 3:43 PM

Reply to comment by DneSokas in US judge orders Amazon to ‘cease and desist’ anti-union retaliation by nacorom

That's still illegal, and very few companies are willing to do that, because no company wants to go through discovery in the inevitable lawsuit.

Bralzor t1_iydgx2x wrote on November 30, 2022 at 4:17 PM

Just pay a settlement and you don't have to bother with the lawsuit.

FriendlyDespot t1_iydh6gc wrote on November 30, 2022 at 4:19 PM

You can't "just" pay a settlement. There's the NLRB and other potential civil suits to deal with, and both parties have to accept it. And even if they do settle, that sort of proves the point that it's unlawful to terminate employees ostensibly for "at-will" reasons when it's actually retaliation for organising.

Deranged40 t1_iydib3f wrote on November 30, 2022 at 4:26 PM

> You can't "just" pay a settlement.

Sure you can. Amazon has fired countless people for attempting to unionize. Sure it's unlawful, but to Amazon, that means "there's a cost associated". It's not like someone's gonna go to jail for it. Show me those discovery documents!

Oh, what's that? Amazon settled out of court? On literally all of the previous cases? very weird.

>There's the NLRB and other potential civil suits to deal with

Amazon has an entire legal team on payroll. They get paid to do nothing at all if not for ongoing litigation. And that litigation will almost certainly bankrupt the ex employees.

It's a fucked system we have, and until that barrier is broken and a union gets successfully formed, Amazon has the upper hand at all turns.

FriendlyDespot t1_iydixhx wrote on November 30, 2022 at 4:30 PM

This is tiresome. You keep talking about how you think the consequences are insignificant, but all you're doing is confirming that it is illegal because there are consequences.

Bralzor t1_iydm2c2 wrote on November 30, 2022 at 4:51 PM

No one said its not illegal. Its just irrelevant whether it's illegal or not when the only consequence is an inconsequential fine.

FriendlyDespot t1_iydmteu wrote on November 30, 2022 at 4:56 PM

The guy that I replied to above did say that when he said that employers can just pretend to fire for at-will reasons to get around anti-retaliation laws. That's the whole point of this conversation.

Deranged40 t1_iyem47u wrote on November 30, 2022 at 8:41 PM

>The guy that I replied to above did say that

No I didn't. I refuted your suggestion that you can't just pay a fine and call it a day. Which is what happens all the time.

In that comment, I outright acknowledged that it was illegal. But it doesn't really matter what you call it, they're going to continue doing the thing you said they can't do either way.

You said there would be discovery documents if they did something that's illegal. So where are they? Where's the NLRB action? What Amazon did is illegal, so where's these lawsuits?

Deranged40 t1_iydjbsz wrote on November 30, 2022 at 4:33 PM

It may be illegal, but there's no mechanism to prevent them from doing it. Because the consequences for doing the illegal thing is less impactful than not doing the illegal thing.

It's a financially responsible move to break the law when the consequences are so minor.

It's illegal like speeding is illegal. Yeah, there's consequences, but most people still do it every day regardless, because the consequences (and likelihood of even having to face said consequences) is so small.