Submitted by Genevieves_bitch t3_zwhi62 in technology
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strugglebuscity t1_j1v2p63 wrote
They’ll shift a bunch of that inventory to the US warehouses and then totally get a subsidy out of the gracious chipmaker funding allocated recently.
bigmattson t1_j1w0zpj wrote
You say that, and i agree with you…. That handouts coming
sign_up_in_secondss t1_j1wuzp9 wrote
>They can fuck right off if they expect some kind of subsidy/handout
they were already bailed out with the CHIPS act
Kaladin3104 t1_j1xzz4q wrote
That was a bribe to get manufacturing of the latest chips to be done in the US because of the whole Taiwan issue. It was not a bail out of any sort.
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breaditbans t1_j1upoee wrote
Well, where’s my free RTX 4090?!
hinnsvartingi t1_j1yvd0x wrote
Oh no! The Supply Chain.
The_Cryptostan t1_j1z1xag wrote
Anyway (Sniffs the Money)
[deleted] t1_j1vhnv4 wrote
There's obviously none for free, but you can get top in cards for HUGE discounts over just a few months ago.
retne_ t1_j1wypvl wrote
Yeah, “huge discount” from pandemic overpriced MSRPs. In most cases you are still overpaying considering what were the prices pre-pandemic.
Chipmakers want to keep inflated prices and now crying that no one is spending so much anymore. Sell 4080 for $699 and there will be no inventory buildup issues.
LucidLethargy t1_j1xllx8 wrote
Yup. This. I'd love a new GPU, but wages are low and price increases on everything this year were absolutely sinister.
Lower the price, and I could be convinced, though. I use GPU's for work, and for play, so it's usually something I stay on top of.
warthog0869 t1_j1wupga wrote
3000 series maybe. The entry 40 series card was 1200 last I checked. I'll ride this 3070 out for awhile, lol.
Jjzeng t1_j1x62e6 wrote
Snagged my evga 3090ti for $700usd below its release msrp (fuck jeff bezos but god bless amazon discounts). That same evga card is now $4000 on amazon for some godforsaken reason, but it’ll last me at least 10 years
triage_this t1_j1x6to7 wrote
Because it is no longer produced.
jeffinRTP t1_j1up421 wrote
If that's the case why do I keep on hearing all these things being delayed because of Chip shortage.
Asuka_Rei t1_j1ursfd wrote
Some manufactures, like US car makers, dumped holdings in future chips at the start of the pandemic. In response, companies like amd and nvidia gobbled up the extra capacity so they could better service crypto-miners and gpu scalpers. Then, upon realizing their mistake, manufactures like us car makers had to get back in line, way back at the end of the line, so they don't have a solid chip supply yet even though tech companies are already complaining about a glut.
TheAmorphous t1_j1uz2y6 wrote
Doesn't seem like car makers would be buying chips from the same nodes as, say, GPU manufacturers. GPUs are always cutting edge nodes. The chips that go into cars are ancient by comparison. How does one impact the other?
BadKarmaSimulator t1_j1v15fj wrote
Existing chip manufacturing lines were purchased and repurposed by other industries like GPU card makers. Now automakers need that volume back, but they have to either buy out and re-repurpose the card manufacturers' lines or wait for new manufacturing to come online. Neither happens cheaply or quickly.
jeffinRTP t1_j1v1mkk wrote
That's what I was wondering about. There was articles about the chips they use were ancient like you said and they were not being made that much. It might be that the manufacturer moved to higher priced chips and retired the old fab equipment.
empirebuilder1 t1_j1x6xs0 wrote
> It might be that the manufacturer moved to higher priced chips and retired the old fab equipment.
That's exactly what happened. Square footage in a fab clean room is $$$$$$. If there's no orders coming in for an older process that shit gets chucked and replaced with new equipment running modern nodes faster than your mother can suck down a hot dog. And automotive was the worst offender at being dead stuck on old processes, because retooling their own integrated components is money they hate spending.
DrB00 t1_j1xefx6 wrote
It's simply silicone and they can craft the chips into w.e they want. So it isn’t the exact same chip bur the silicone required to make the chip is the same.
doneandtired2014 t1_j1vq7uh wrote
Eh...kinda.
Yes, automakers dumped their future chip orders. However, those were and are fabbed on legacy nodes. You know the 14nm node Intel was stuck on for 8 years? That's still 10-20 years newer than what most automotive ICs are made on. And as it so happens, the fabs that make automotive ICs are also the same fabs that make industrial ICs (lots of cross over in terms of physical requirements). Compounding that more, of all of the facilities that specialize in legacy nodes, one burnt to the ground last year (Renesas).
Automakers probably wish their ICs were made on contemporary nodes at this point, because Samsung's 8nm node only has like two customers and people are moving away from TSMC 7nm to 6nm, 5nm, and 3nm on the bleeding edge.
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madsci t1_j1v4bhr wrote
Because not all parts have this problem, and complex things like cars use a lot of different parts.
I still can't get the microcontrollers I need until at least summer of 2024. I'm having to port everything to whatever I can get.
Stiggalicious t1_j1vnhgx wrote
The majority of chips are made on much older and/or more specialized process nodes, and those capacities won’t be expanded any time soon, if at all. Things like protection devices, discrete transistors, op amps, and power regulators are built on larger nodes like 130nm and 250nm. Most automotive controller ICs are also built on 90nm or larger nodes too. Those nodes are still absolutely crushed right now and will be for at least another year. It’s slowly getting better, but the market is still crazy tight.
WillDeletOneDay t1_j1w9vky wrote
The chip shortage has basically been over for a while now in certain industries.
MountainScorpion t1_j1vvlnl wrote
I just laughed so hard, I almost shat myself.
Prices are up ~30%, wait lists are common, inventory is still backlogged,
and they're trying to claim they have too much on hand?!?
This is the bullshit of the 'just-in-time' framework. This is what causes logistics cascades.
These people should be laughed at, not taken seriously.
RowYourUpboat t1_j1w89ih wrote
Wake me up when I can buy a dozen Raspberry Pi's for $20 apiece.
MountainScorpion t1_j1whcgc wrote
This. So much this.
stufmenatooba t1_j1w9hrk wrote
They have too much inventory, but it's stuff that no one wants. When companies pulled orders during the pandemic, they shifted production to stuff people did. However, they wound up oversaturating the market, demand was far outstripped by supply, so they have mountains of virtually worthless junk. Now the companies that pulled their orders want those products back in production, those companies aren't willing to return to producing those products, so they are hemorrhaging money by just being obstinate.
This is a self-imposed problem that tax-payers will be obligated to solve.
DrB00 t1_j1xeofl wrote
It's intentional market manipulation. They have a ton of raw silicone for the chips on hard. They just can't be bothered to put them into video cards to sell because they want to artificially keep the price high
MountainScorpion t1_j1xg4lb wrote
Same issue with Single Family Homes in the US.
We have plenty of land to build them on, but speculators have injected insane liquidity into properties and are therefore opposing any form of affordable single family homes because it would destroy the inflationary "value" of the things they bought.
GongTzu t1_j1uoy4d wrote
They all made a fortune in the pandemic, but now they are all loosing money on old parts that doesn’t sell. Sad thing is to see how they all are laying of employees who worked their butt of to make ends meet and made fortunes for them, at the end they only care about numbers.
eiamhere69 t1_j1v265t wrote
The thing os, they aren't losing money, they just aren't make as much/extortionate amounts.
Magusreaver t1_j1v9fu2 wrote
This. Record profits, but they can't sustain that becuase it was based on a bubble. They could still sell things at reasonable prices, but don't want to after the bubble hyper inflated their earnings.
dark_rabbit t1_j1vslva wrote
Anyone that’s taken a Market Strategy course in business school knows this issue all too well. It’s very hard to predict the future and time + correct for demand, and once you fall out of sync it’s like a pendulum that swings wider and wider.
What most people don’t realize is how far in advance decisions for production volume are made and how greatly demand might vary (even there is no external factor like a pandemic) once those shipments hit retailers. The only guarantee is you’ll never get it right, it’s merely a question of how far off you’ll be and in what direction.
Grimwulf2003 t1_j1wlkw3 wrote
Welcome to the oversupplied shortage.
"And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be REDUCED to twenty grammes a week."
_barisbaris_ t1_j1upv0x wrote
Moreover, the conflict/war risk in Taiwan Territory is still remaining.
If the tansion between USA & Chine turns into a war, that would be mean hardest times will be waiting for tech manifacturers, and consumers as well.
BuckyDuster t1_j1w03v2 wrote
I still have some chips on back order
TheSchlaf t1_j1w13l7 wrote
Where is the surplus of chips for AV Receivers?
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monchota t1_j1zbsia wrote
Good then sell it all off cheap, we need to show we don't care. What ever happens, if they have enough money afterwards to live. Then they are doing most of us. Its a free economy, these companies should be failing so others can rise.
imzelda t1_j1vdy8z wrote
I read “Chipmonks” instead of chipmakers, so I think it’s time to stop scrolling and get off Reddit.
HinduHamma t1_j1uqhkd wrote
Boo fucking hoo.
They literally made billions and have insane build up in the one inventory that matters : money.
They can fuck right off if they expect some kind of subsidy/handout