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Prinzmegaherz t1_j1pcfz0 wrote

Reply to comment by NRTime in Robots Are Replacing Workers Lost in the Pandemic. They're Here to Stay. by jormungandrsjig

So a very modest stippend for the 99,999999% while the few elites own everything?

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freeman_joe t1_j1pp1g0 wrote

We should stop money elites from existing. Nobody earned billions.

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OGBEES t1_j1s1boc wrote

People by definition earned billions. What are you even saying lmao

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yaosio t1_j1pcwjn wrote

No, UBI will never happen. We will all just be berated for not buying stuff. If UBI does happen then consumerism causes more pollution.

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canastrophee t1_j1qxll5 wrote

Ideally, there would be effective corporate tax rates to balance out the amount of revenue they're vacuuming out of circulation without the need to pay human workers. But I really think most people would be artists or gardeners or craftspeople, given the chance, so we'd return to more of a pre-industrialization saturation of small businesses. UBI would allow people to comfortably take up professions like cobbling and woodworking and shut-in poet laureate without the economy trying to chase them into more financially weighty careers.

We end up with better artists that way, as well. It's easier to practice when you're not worried about starving or freezing or getting medication, but also, people who are good at one difficult skill are usually good at another difficult skill. Mathematicians are frequently also musicians of notable skill -- but math pays exponentially better, so they almost invariably choose math, even when it's not the kind of math they want to do. And I really, really do not blame them.

So if we're following the Thomas Jefferson path of war -> math and science -> arts? We're nearly there, lads.

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Flame87 t1_j1raagl wrote

You're trying to attack UBI but all you did was describe modern day capitalism as is. 😂

"The 1% can own everything as long as somebody gets less peanut scraps than me. If everyone gets the same amount of scraps then those other recipients are the problem"

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Prinzmegaherz t1_j1t8grn wrote

The thing is, if UBI is just like the status quo, it won‘t change anything.

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Flame87 t1_j1t97ht wrote

How boring are you that there's that there's NOTHING ELSE you could be doing without a 40 hour job you hate cause having a roof is pretty cool?

The whole point is that as work becomes less of a "one missed check from homelessness necessity" you can hold out for a job you want. Or start that business with a little breathing room. Or take up art and persue that. The possibilities are endless, while nobody has been able to provide an alternative solution to the very real breakneck pace to automation except accepting our inevitable tumble cause "durr change scary" even though (by your own admission) NOTHING WOULD FUCKING CHANGE except the ability to escape abusive working conditions.

What the hell is it with Americans that the only acceptable system is being broke, abused, and trapped in shit work where management knows they can do ANYTHING AT ALL? Really though, we know the answer. Gotta uphold the power trip fantasy structure because you were lied to and told one day YOU can be the exploiter. Never mind that those people have been building barriers for decades and only 0.some% make it there, surely they'll make an exception for you, because unlike a billion other Americans you are the GoLdEn ChIlD oF aMeRiCaN eXcEpTiOnAlIsM.

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Prinzmegaherz t1_j1twvcq wrote

How Dunning Kruger of you. Not getting the point of the discussion and being all smug about it.

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Flame87 t1_j1tx3in wrote

"If I print off a Wikipedia page full of fallacies I'll never have to actually argue again, just throw a dart and start masturbating"

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