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HappyGilOHMYGOD t1_j8tbufr wrote

Idc how much they give us. I just want it to be good like it used to be. Iron man through end game was like 70 percent great movies. A few misses but even those weren't terrible. Now it feels like they have 9 year olds writing their movies

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Regula96 t1_j8tiyfg wrote

Yea and if the Star Wars content is Andor or at least Mandalorian quality, good enough.

More Obi-Wan/Boba content? No thanks.

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defiancy t1_j8totro wrote

I just want them to make an Obi-Wan show where he is a "ronin" and just goes from place to place solving peoples problems. Like what Star Wars fan would hate that show?

Hell just remake "The Man with No Name" trilogy and just replace "The Man" with Obi-Wan. That shit would be fire.

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squirreltalk t1_j8v7y04 wrote

>I just want them to make an Obi-Wan show where he is a "ronin" and just goes from place to place solving peoples problems. Like what Star Wars fan would hate that show?

The mandalorian already had some of that, though.

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littleoctagon t1_j8txwsy wrote

He could walk the earth planets like Kane from Kung Fu

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hour_of_the_rat t1_j8uebli wrote

This would have been one successful option. How they got it wrong is "quite beyond my capacity".

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garlicroastedpotato t1_j8u5a8f wrote

I mean, it's not all the writing, it feels like it's mostly the editing.

Thor Love and Thunder was, particularly bad. The writing was all there for a very dramatic, funny and deep story about a cancer victim that would be relevant not only to Marvel fans but also to people who are suffering with cancer, have family members with cancer or those who have lost people with cancer.

Here you have history's forgotten woman, dumped and abandoned by her boyfriend and largely forgotten to the world. In her desperation she turns to every possible way to treat her cancer.... and it fails, time after time. And so where science failed she turned to magic (almost a line in the film!). She grabs Thor's hammer and becomes Mighty Thor... the hammer sustains her and gives her a boost to survive.... while the treatment is also killing her very slowly. Every time she uses it she gets closer to dying. What a great plot device! You could say that you could have a very deep film focusing mostly on Natalie Portman talking about a lasting legacy and what she hopes to leave the world after she dies. A very real thing and worry for cancer victims... something families often don't get.

Parallel to that story you could have had the story of Gorr the God Butcher... brilliantly played (and wasted) with Christian Bale. A religious man on a dying planet who has had his daughter taken from him while the gods just looked on and laughed. He plots to steal all of the children of the gods (you know... the theme of legacy works here).

These are fantastic story archs, mostly well executed. But there were a lot of small things that kept Oscar award winning performances from shining. It was all of the Taiki Waititi bullshit to try and get laughs. Like every single sad or serious moment would be broken up by a cheap laugh. That's all the flying goats were... .they bridged serious moments with light heartedness.

It also didn't have to have Thor's story in it... at all. That could have all basically been cut out and it could have focused completely around Mighty Thor and the deeper darker story of coming to terms with your own mortality and what you want to leave behind.

I think in that film you can EDIT a really great movie. I think a lot of the "writing issues" were director edits.

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overkil6 t1_j8tlgky wrote

They’re basing it on stories that were originally written for 9 year olds. Star Wars was meant for kids too. We just grew up - the content, for the most part, didn’t.

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attemptedmonknf t1_j8us2hl wrote

Originally sure, but comics have been increasingly adult oriented for the last 50 years, and have had a lot of complex and well written stories in that time.

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Parking_Onion_3846 t1_j8v8oc3 wrote

"Meant for kids" also had a really different meaning when Star Wars came out. All that "meant for kids" meant back then was that it didn't have nudity or gratuitous gore.

It always changes, too. Comics were specifically for kids when the Comics Code took effect in the 50's and into the 60's, but as those kids aged so did comics. By the late 80's and early 90's, comics definitely weren't kids stuff anymore. Spawn was comics grown up, but so was Batman and the X-Men and pretty much the whole stable of comics' evolution from that time.

Star Wars always appealed to more age groups than just kids, but it also grew with the fans who had all those toys as kids; part of its struggles have been because its identity is kind of trapped between misunderstood fan service nostalgia for adults and a marketing engine trying to grow a future fan base through cartoons. Rebels might be designed for kids, but Andor sure wasn't, as one example. A big part of the problem with Star Wars at the moment is that you never really know which one you're going to get... or if they're going to try and make it for everyone, and make no one happy.

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UmeshgaarB t1_j8wyvwq wrote

Star Wars movies? Yes probably. But not every piece of content is geared towards kids. With Clone Wars they stopped trying to appeal for kids and instead just went on to tell a good story. The story has now ended up being people's favorite piece of Star Wars content.

It's not that the content didn't grow up. It's essentially just that rhey are forcibly keeping the content back from evolving to something good or even better.

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KentuckyFriedEel t1_j9162w5 wrote

Love and Thunder was abysmal crap!!! On paper it was a surefire success! Watiti, bale, portman. Then they crapped the bed

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felixsapiens t1_j90p33b wrote

It’s possible you are now older and more discerning than you were twenty years ago….

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bcraig8870 t1_j8tjrui wrote

And the same 9 year olds doing their visual effects, although I’m sure it’s more because they’re paying them a shit wage while simultaneously giving them unrealistic deadlines.

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attemptedmonknf t1_j8usm3q wrote

Yeah, absolutely none of that blame is on the artists. The studio gives them incredible amounts of work with impossible deadlines.

If you tell your contractor to build an entire house in a week, then don't blame them when your walls are made of cardboard

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Worthyness t1_j8vn88s wrote

But also should blame the CEO types of those VFX companies for taking on said impossible deadlines. They're also at fault for just piling up a bunch of shit on their employees and intentionally taking a low bid in order to get the prestige for the work.

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Zalack t1_j8xi0n4 wrote

The thing is it's self-selecting. VFX companies that have ethical working environments can't compete with the price point of the sweat shops and go out of business. The number of workers who want to be on the field is just too high.

That's why workers rights either via unions or law is so important.

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Dman125 t1_j8u2x59 wrote

6:15 - 7:30 of this is worth a listen. I don’t blame the artists for a moment lol, I commend them for not having burning the studio to the ground yet.

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