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chilloutfam t1_j9gmpiy wrote

Reply to comment by PortoGuy18 in Production Has Begun On The Walking Dead's Rick and Michonne Spinoff by impeccabletim

I feel like Pedro Pascal has shown us what a better version of Rick is. Much better southern accent, too. (Andrew Lincoln, admittedly, is at a disadvantage being from the UK and all, though)

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PortoGuy18 t1_j9gmu8i wrote

I like the last of us, but i think there is a lot of recency bias at the moment in regards with the comparisons between both shows.

Andrew Lincoln as Rick owned every scene he was in and helped The Walking Dead become the phenomenom that it was.

Pedro Pascal is good, but i have seen him do better than joel.

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tagen t1_j9h86zo wrote

Yeah, I really liked Lincoln’s performance, in particular his interactions with John Bernthal’s character.

I had no idea he was british when i first saw The Walkimg Dead, but he definitely had the whole southern sheriff behavior down

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KlaatuBrute t1_j9hgora wrote

> Yeah, I really liked Lincoln’s performance, in particular his interactions with John Bernthal’s character.

That entire opening scene of the series is phenomenal. The pilot was so good, and IMO could even stand alone as a great zombie movie.

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tagen t1_j9hlqlm wrote

Yeah, those first few episodes had me hooked. Rick waking up and searching for his family, getting stuck in the tank and having Glenn save his ass, the mall escape, going back for Merle, etc.

So good

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HollywoodJones t1_j9ixzzc wrote

Frank Darabont specifically filmed it that way, to make the episodes feel like short films. It's why the first two seasons are regarded as the best of the entire series while the rest slipped into the downward spiral of hot garbage it became.

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Lil_Mcgee t1_j9jji56 wrote

> It's why the first two seasons are regarded as the best of the entire series

Not so sure about this. I defend season 2 of TWD but it was fairly heavily criticised when it came out and still doesn't have the best reputation to this day due to the (not entirely unfounded) perception that it is drawn out and tedious.

Losing Darabont definitely did a lot to hurt the show's vision and set the stage for the inevitable decline. That said I think if you asked a group of people (let's assume they've seen at least the first 6 or so seasons) to rank their favourites I would expect to see most people place S4 above S2 and frankly I wouldn't be surprised to see S2 at the bottom of many lists.

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DoctorSkeeterBatman t1_j9m4ncp wrote

Season 1 also had some ridiculous dog shit like intelligent zombies/zombies partially retaining their human memories....things people talk shit about and just ignore were 100% Darabont.

Also Season 2 was widely considered one of the worst lol (though I loved it and think it's one of the best) specifically because Darabont left between Season 1 and 2. People HATED it and said it was just boring farm drama and was ruining the show.

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peanutdakidnappa t1_j9i0i4t wrote

Ya I’m really not getting that dudes comment, Lincoln’s accent is rock solid and his acting on the show has pretty much been fantastic his entire time on it. One of if not the best things about the show for the entire time he was on it, his acting never wavered even if the quality of the show did

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Dennyisthepisslord t1_j9gwvyp wrote

I'd say last of us and early walking dead are very similar. And it's largely why I am not warming to it as much as others.

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qwertycantread t1_j9jj34a wrote

I watched the first episode an thought it was just like The Walking Dead. Not interesting.

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monchota t1_j9gyo3d wrote

The only good parts of walking dead is the first 3 season.

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Bad_Mood_Larry t1_j9h4ufz wrote

You liked the farm? Season 1 was very good....The rest was always grasping because how production was screwed after that 1st season.

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HollywoodJones t1_j9iy3uf wrote

It went from Frank Darabont and a fantastic team of writers with movie budget quality production to a cringe inducing soap operate edited in Final Cut Pro.

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ThePizzaMan100 t1_j9jlgyt wrote

Not really. Parts of season 4 and 5 were the best part of the series. The Terminus arc was the peak of TWD.

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monchota t1_j9gyjqr wrote

There is no comparison, it is an HBO show versus a AMC show. The walking dead was ok but was too much filler and drama after season 3.

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bondball7 t1_j9hw7ca wrote

I absolutely agree with your assessment of TWD, but we’re also 5 episodes into TLOU and there’s been 1 filler episode. It was amazing, but ep 3 did almost nothing to push the story. It was minor background filler. I don’t remember much filler in the first three TWD seasons…after that I remember a lot.

I’ve played TLOU and am worried about them having enough to fill out more than a season or two. So far we’ve been introduced to 7-10 characters and they all end up dead. Seems by design, but how far can that take them?

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chilloutfam t1_j9jpynt wrote

i have no problem with the filler episodes thus far because they have been incredible. bill and frank is one of my favorite episodes of tv in a long time.

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HornetKick t1_j9hz8c9 wrote

>characters

Yeah this is true. I'm not familiar with the game and I figured he was going to stay and hang out with his brother but then they separate again. What?

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peanutdakidnappa t1_j9i0u8i wrote

Why’s that a surprise, he’s still gotta get Ellie to the firefly place so hopefully they can create some sort of cure. Did you just think they’d stop there for good in Wyoming and say eh she’s immune but fuck a possible cure?

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HornetKick t1_j9i5kig wrote

Imo it was a tad disjointled because he cant wait to find his brother, finds him and then asks him to take Ellie, then tells her she gotta go without him, and then the very next day says oh I'll still take you. It was filler for sure.

The end goal has mostly been to find a cure but there is no proof that even her blood will work. That has been mentioned a couple of times.

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peanutdakidnappa t1_j9ib62r wrote

I don’t think any of that was filler at all lol, it was great character building moments. Also obviously there is no proof her blood will help create a cure but she’s the only Immune person out there so they at least gotta give it a shot.

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HollywoodJones t1_j9iy8te wrote

The last episode seemed to suffer from large gaps in production because it felt like the seasons weren't consistent. My guess is they started it during lockdowns or something.

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HornetKick t1_j9hz0kz wrote

>too much filler

I totally agree and that is why I bailed. The filler is annoying as hell.

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chilloutfam t1_j9jpviz wrote

eh, breaking bad was on AMC. and that's a top 3 show for me.

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MustardTiger1337 t1_j9izcc4 wrote

I mean also one is AMC and one is HBO
Funding was a huge issue with the walking dead, just look at S02 on the farm. One set for the whole season. Just imagine if this was on HBO

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bondball7 t1_j9hvcm8 wrote

For sure. Just started re-watching TWD and am in S4. So far it’s pretty great with some cringy moments and a few bad writing spots. I know it gets worse from here…think I stopped watching season 7 or 8.

So far I’m enjoying The Last of Us and the acting is great, but feels like they’re already having a hard time filling the season out, so it feels like people are just into it because it’s above good. Doesn’t yet feel great like TWD did first 3 seasons. Pascal was great though in the last episode and episode 3 was amazing, even though it was basically filler.

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ThePizzaMan100 t1_j9jltxa wrote

> So far I’m enjoying The Last of Us and the acting is great, but feels like they’re already having a hard time filling the season out, so it feels like people are just into it because it’s above good.

I think the difference is that the “filler” episodes in TLOU is still full of great character moments and amazing production design. Which is what TWD lacked for the most part in their filler episodes. The Bill and Frank episode for example was amazing.

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Lethal234 t1_j9mlier wrote

I love Andrew Lincoln but he has nothing on Pedro Pascal, lol

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GamingTatertot t1_j9gq6zh wrote

I'm from the South and have a lot of friends and family in Georgia as well too - Lincoln's accent really isn't that bad

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MyStationIsAbandoned t1_j9hcprr wrote

yeah, idk what that guy is talking about The Walking Dead has been a shit show most of the time, but the actors are seriously top notch. Rick's accent is great. I've lived in the south most of my life. I don't people realize there's a ton of different types of southern accents. When I was a kid i even noticed this after meeting people from Charleston compared to people from a completely different city in that same state.

I've heard plenty of Ricks and Shane accents. I've even heard one of those crazy prim and proper early 1900's southern accents from this old guy in college. I half expected them to say "i do declare". It was so long ago that my memory wants to believe he did say it.

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GamingTatertot t1_j9hggik wrote

> When I was a kid i even noticed this after meeting people from Charleston compared to people from a completely different city in that same state.

Yeah, my Charleston accent is very different from an accent of just someone in SC upstate

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HornetKick t1_j9hyq2s wrote

>i do declare

And Pascal does not have a Southern accent. Is that what he is doing?

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ImAMindlessTool t1_j9jfvkc wrote

Georgian, Texan, Appalachian, Gulf (MS, AL, FL shores), Backwoods Mississippi, Cajun, and Carolinian .. all sound different but have that same twang to it. Except backwoods MS. Some people there speak mumbling gibberish.

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coolhandluq t1_j9kt5d0 wrote

That's not a Texan accent you're describing, just a dated stereotype.

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Megadog3 t1_j9h70ru wrote

Completely disagree with this. Pedro is great, but he’s sort of been slipping in and out of his accent. It’s the weakest part of his performance.

Andrew Lincoln’s accent is literally perfect.

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peanutdakidnappa t1_j9i152z wrote

Ya I don’t get that comment at all, Andy’s accent on TWD was great almost all the time, it’s honestly more impressive than Pedro’s.

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LovingTurtle69 t1_j9h1s3s wrote

Listen I love the Last of Us with all my heart and Pedro Pascal in everything he's been in, however Andrew Lincoln is just better.

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peanutdakidnappa t1_j9i1ngf wrote

Forreal I really don’t get that comment, Lincoln was stellar his entire time on TWD and he had so many legitimately amazing scenes where his performance was just top top top tier. TWD certainly has many problems and the quality greatly wavered but Lincoln did, he was awesome the entire time and was almost always one of if not the best things about that show. I love Pedro and am greatly enjoying the show but nothing he’s done so far acting wise is better than the best stuff Andrew did on TWD

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MantisTobogganMD12 t1_j9huab5 wrote

I couldn’t disagree more… pascals not Bad but early Rick was amazing!

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peanutdakidnappa t1_j9i22bj wrote

All Andy’s acting as rick was fantastic, the show fell off a lot but his acting remained great as long as he was on the show

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MantisTobogganMD12 t1_j9i6gmd wrote

Agreed I was just trying to express how amazing he was to me the first few seasons… I’m 37 … I actually almost cried like a baby when Lori has to be taken care of in season 3 ( ?) Ricks reaction was just so great and pained and lost and everything else…. I’ll never forget that moment…

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SuspendedInKarmaMama t1_j9hdefd wrote

I realize people on here won't like me saying this but Lincoln as Rick was much better than Pascal as Joel.

At least from what we've seen so far.

https://youtu.be/ehy8JxxUqh4

https://youtu.be/GErVgGgYKh4

As a whole, LoU is much better than TWD but if we're just comparing the two performances then Lincoln is the clear winner to me.

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cantthinkatall t1_j9hkcuy wrote

Hard disagree. The farm with Rick and Shane, the prison, the battle vs the governor and all the way up to Terminus is way better than LoU. It was really good all the way up until they did the whole glen under the dumpster bit. Then the whole reveal of who Negan killed was a joke.

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MustardTiger1337 t1_j9izi8p wrote

Exact same time I checked out. Can't remember the last show I waiting to watch each week and talked about it every day in between

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mnopponm12 t1_j9j1i7p wrote

Farm was where it lost me, so slow. They dragged it out as long as they could.

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cantthinkatall t1_j9ja9yn wrote

The farm was only like 2-3 episodes lol

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Phillip_Spidermen t1_j9kaoko wrote

It was closer to 6-7 during the finding Sophia arc, which may not seem like a lot in retrospect, but contextually it was half the entire show at that point.

The first season was 6 episodes, and the premiere a year later had them spend the next 6 at Hershel's (which they continued to spend time at until it burns in the season finale)

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peanutdakidnappa t1_j9i1qh4 wrote

Facts, Andrew was amazing the whole time and nothing Pedro has done acting wise is as good or better than Andy’s best acting moments on TWD

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northernjigby t1_j9jteev wrote

The circlejerk is getting out of hand. Has there been any scene with Pedro in LoU that has had as much-acting range as Rick waking up, being attacked by the Claimers, the death of Lori, his crazy speech in Alexandria after fighting Pete, the lineup with the Saviors?

Pedro's accent is not even close to better either lol, he barely sounds like he's from Texas. Here's an accent expert literally saying he has to get picky to critizie Andrew Lincoln because of how good his accent is.

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DarthRain95 t1_j9hyq5y wrote

I love Joel’s voice but it doesn’t even touch Rick Grimes accent

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peanutdakidnappa t1_j9i07l0 wrote

Lincoln’s accent is good tho lol, I’d honestly say it’s probably better than Pedro’s. Also he was stellar his entire time on the show, the shows quality wavered big time but Andy’s performance never did. Pedro has been great in TLOU but I think Lincoln was/is every bit as good when it comes to acting and he’s had a bunch of signature acting moments in that show that were pretty much universally praised. he has always been one of if not the best things about TWD while he was on it and he’s had so many great acting moments throughout the show.

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TchoupedNScrewed t1_j9h7d2c wrote

Andrew Lincoln had to work with shit writers despite the fact if they did a 1:1 remake of the comic (not possible on AMC) they would’ve fared sooooo much better. Between Invincible and TWD comic Kirkman knows how to write.

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njb021 t1_j9i2cqa wrote

Not sure why you’re putting down Andrew Lincoln when he was the best part of the show when he was on. Pedro Pascal is awesome, but he’s only played the character for one season so far

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the_great_ashby t1_j9j83w1 wrote

Nah,anything that Lincoln did with Darabont rivals what Pascal does with Mazin. And then there's the ocasional bright spot along the rest of the run.

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ThePizzaMan100 t1_j9jlbdb wrote

> I feel like Pedro Pascal has shown us what a better version of Rick is.

I don’t know about that. While I love Pedro as Joel, Lincoln is also amazing as Rick. He was the main highlight of TWD. It’s impressive how he managed to consistently give amazing performances even tho the writing took a nosedive in after season 5.

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TJ_McWeaksauce t1_j9jo1zl wrote

>I feel like Pedro Pascal has shown us what a better version of Rick is.

They're entirely different characters.

Joel from The Last of Us is a man whose humanity died at the very beginning of his world's apocalypse. He stopped trusting people and he stopped loving. For 20 years, Tess was one of the only people he had a lasting relationship with, and it was lopsided — she loved him, but he didn't love her back.

The only other important person in his life is his brother, Tommy, but Joel chased him away and made him move to the other side of the country, which is no easy feat when the country is filled with fungus zombies and raiders.

Joel has basically been dead inside for the entirety of his post-apocalypse. He's killed innocent people in order to survive, and he doesn't show remorse for it. His relationship with Ellie is his chance at redemption, and also his chance to finally be at peace with a trauma he experienced decades before.

Rick is the opposite. He didn't lose everything at the onset of his apocalypse, because his wife and son were still alive. He had something to fight for beyond survival.

Immediately after reuniting with his family, Rick took charge of the group of survivors they were with, because Rick is a natural leader. Throughout the series, he's gravitated toward being a leader — he's been the leader of multiple survivor communities, and even united multiple, separate communities into a network that traded and protected each other. This is in stark contrast to Joel, who's antisocial, distrustful, and avoids people as much as he can. Rick is almost always surrounded by people, and he kept adding to his family of survivors, whereas Joel works best alone or in a pair.

Rick's story is one of struggling to maintain one's humanity during barbaric times. Joel's story is one of regaining one's humanity during barbaric times. The characters are different, their stories are different, and the only real similarity between them is that they're both living in a post-apocalyptic world and they're both good at violence.

They're even different physically. Joel is broken both inside and out — he's not as fast or as strong as he used to be because he's getting old, and he's gone partially deaf. Does Rick have any chronic physical issues? I don't think he does.

Saying Joel is a better version of Rick is like saying pizza is a better version of salad.

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chilloutfam t1_j9jplll wrote

> Saying Joel is a better version of Rick is like saying pizza is a better version of salad.

they are two main leads in a show with similar premises. it's not that serious.

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KeyFeeling9481 t1_j9kfh9l wrote

To be fair Joel (Pascal) is from Texas while Rick (Lincoln) is from Georgia. Those are two very different accents.

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Zoltan_Kakler t1_j9kjc8k wrote

You don't need to look outside the same show to see someone showing Andrew Lincoln how to do a better accent. Just listen to Darryl and Rick talk. Norman Reedus is doing a real Southern accent, and Andrew Lincoln is doing a half-ass fake one.

Sometimes Rick sounds like he's strolled in from a Gone With the Wind scene with that drawn out overdone accent.

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