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jogoso2014 t1_jcqwzn7 wrote

Producers are able to decide when a show ends if the studio wants to keep making it.

Popularity helps balance the scales.

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testingtor t1_jcqx66o wrote

> Producers are able to decide when a show ends if the studio wants to keep making it.

Yes and no. Producers can leave but the studio can try to keep going without them.

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jogoso2014 t1_jcr25sk wrote

That’s true if they own it. I was basically talking about the owners as the producers but I know it’s more complicated than that.

HBO can keep making unlimited shows based on Game of Thrones but I’m pretty sure D and D had the right to conclude the main story which is why it was so controversial to have a conclusion to a story that the author didn’t have a conclusion to.

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testingtor t1_jcr2ahi wrote

Its pretty uncommon now for the studio to not at least own a piece of it.

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jogoso2014 t1_jcrpqnm wrote

Right but that partial ownership may not extend to keeping the show going.

It would just require them to still get paid.

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staedtler2018 t1_jd7ff4t wrote

I don't know that D&D had that right. Rather, HBO does not want to do the "crass" network TV thing where you keep the show going even if the creators want to leave because you want to make more money. They are supposed to be a place for 'creatives,' after all.

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Lasciviouslibation OP t1_jcqxhj7 wrote

So basically, let’s say a show get the green light for another season, if the producer doesn’t want to continue the show, it’s effectively cancelled?

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DrRexMorman t1_jcqxq1k wrote

> if the producer doesn’t want to continue the show, it’s effectively cancelled?

Not necessarily.

Supernatural went on for 10 additional seasons after its original producers left following season 5.

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Lasciviouslibation OP t1_jcqz1jz wrote

So who owns the the actual playwright? Does an OG producer sell these rights to another? Or does the studio basically have all ownership?

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DrRexMorman t1_jcr52rr wrote

> So who owns the the actual playwright?

Do you mean copyright?

>Does an OG producer sell these rights to another?

Generally the corporation that pays for a movie or tv show is considered to be its author or owner.

1st example:

Jim Gavin wrote the pilot for a show he called Lodge 49.

Paul Giamatti and Dan Carey read it and loved it.

They got the script to Susie Fitzgerald at AMC.

Susie Fitzgerald convinced her bosses to film it as a 10 episode series.

Even though Jim Gavin created the show and oversaw its writing, AMC became the author/owner of the series when it agreed to underwrite its cost. However, Gavin has used elements of the show to brand and promote his publishing house. He's negotiating with AMC for permission to publish a series of novels based on elements of the show.

2nd example:

Louis CK wrote a 10 episode series.

He hired actors/etc and filmed it.

He released it to his people who were subscribed to his website.

After a period of time, he sold it to Hulu.

Hulu became the author/owner of the series.

>Or does the studio basically have all ownership?

In both cases these creators signed contracts with the studios who produced/bought their shows. These contracts refer to "rights." Creators' rights to the work they create follows the terms of a contract.

3rd example:

Ben Edlund created a comic book character called the Tick in the mid 1980s.

He signed a contract with New England Comics - who've published several hundred comic book titles based on Edlund's ideas over the last ~35 years.

In the early 1990s, Edlund signed a contract with Fox to produce an animated adaptation of the Tick. It ran for 3 seasons. Fox promoted the show with fast food items, t-shirts, toys, a video game, a board game, and other sundries. This was all negotiated in Edlund's contract with Fox.

In the early 2000s, Edlund signed a contract with Fox to produce a live action adaptation of the Tick. It ran for 10 episodes. Edlund's contact for the animated show prevented him from using several of its most prominent characters so he invented new ones.

In the mid 2010s, Edlund signed a contract with Amazon to produce another live action adaptation of the Tick. It ran for 20 episodes and featured a new slate of supporting characters.

In each case, Edlund retained control over certain elements while the corporation underwriting production controlled others.

The catch is that all of this is negotiated by executives working for the corporation and agents/lawyers working for the creative team. The bigger or more expensive the project, the more complicated this negotiation becomes.

4th, final example:

Steven Conrad created a tv show called Patriot for Amazon. When Amazon cancelled it, he got one of its stars to record an audiobook version of the book that actor's character had written as part of the show. Conrad did this without any permission from Amazon.

I don't know if that helps clarify. I can say that one indelible part of Hollywood culture is that people rarely share details of these negotiations. I guess it is considered gauche.

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ozmega t1_jcse6hq wrote

> In the early 1990s, Edlund signed a contract with Fox to produce an animated adaptation of the Tick. It ran for 3 seasons. Fox promoted the show with fast food items, t-shirts, toys, a video game, a board game, and other sundries. This was all negotiated in Edlund's contract with Fox. > > In the early 2000s, Edlund signed a contract with Fox to produce a live action adaptation of the Tick. It ran for 10 episodes. Edlund's contact for the animated show prevented him from using several of its most prominent characters so he invented new ones.

so fox blocked fox from airing the old characters?

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DrRexMorman t1_jcshh8d wrote

No.

Disney bought Fox's animated programming block in 2001 and refused to let Fox use some of the characters.

Defledermaus became Bat Manuel.

American Maid became Captain Liberty.

Etc.

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Lasciviouslibation OP t1_jcr5hxp wrote

This was excellent, thank you for your explanation. It does seem quite involved to say the least. 😅

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BranWafr t1_jcr0nfs wrote

Depends on the contract. HBO wanted another season of Watchmen, Lindelof said no, so no second season. Gilmore Girls did not renew the contract of the show's creator and head writer after season 6, but still did a 7th season without her.

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MadeByTango t1_jcqxvdh wrote

The producer always wants to continue the show; they’re literally going to make money when they do and not if they don’t

The CAST sometimes leaves the show, it it’s extremely rare and would take some sort of burned out success level for a producer to quit or shut down a production. If anything they would move up to EVP and let someone else do the real work.

The studios are canceling shows. They have the money. Everyone else wants a job.

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Lasciviouslibation OP t1_jcqyhfr wrote

You could argue it has to do with the associated costs of production. I would surmise studios low ball producers to create their shows.

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jogoso2014 t1_jcr1d62 wrote

In the simplest form yes.

However if the contract called for more seasons, then they may be in breach. Many times the showrunners just get switched.

However if the contract is over the creators are not required to negotiate a new one.

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aw-un t1_jcsdx22 wrote

No, the producer gets replaced

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