rocker2014 t1_ixuo4km wrote on November 26, 2022 at 2:36 PM

Reply to comment by yodimboi in andor is one of the first shows in a while,with a nearly perfect season by ButtPlugForPM

Well, for one, Andor is planned for a two season run, so it basically is a mini series and has shown us half of the story. And it's a prequel to a movie with the same characters so we already know what it's setting up and how it ends for the most part. But also, a miniseries has to do the same thing as a first season of a running series by setting everything up but it also has the difficulty of having to wrap it up well too. So I think it's absolutely fair to include them because it has a more difficult task than a first season of a running show. If anything, first seasons of a running show shouldn't be judged yet as they could go downhill in future seasons. But I don't really agree with that either. We're judging single seasons of TV that aired this year.

Plus, there are only two miniseries that I listed here. That's still 8 other shows that I considered better or on the level with Andor. That doesn't even include the list that were still very good but not on this level.

OP said that Andor was one of the first shows with a nearly perfect season in a while. They didn't say nearly perfect first season for a running series. That welcomed the comparison. Especially because to me, their whole thread was a lot of hyperbole. That's why I wanted to mention these 10 shows that aired this year because Andor certainly was not the only show that provided a quality season this year, let alone years past. It may seem that way if you've not watched anything else this year. Plus, I disagree that the show had no filler, but i'm not going to get into all that.

It doesn't matter if it's a first season, a last season, a middle season, or a miniseries. A quality season of a TV show should tell a story that's somewhat complete. Even a show that ends on a cliffhanger still has an ending to an arc. And even to your point, I do personally think the three other first seasons of new running series that I listed were better.

yodimboi t1_ixuraly wrote on November 26, 2022 at 3:03 PM

Andor is by no means a miniseries. A miniseries is one season long. Anything else is just a series. Also, saying "first season" implies that there is a second or that at least there was supposed to be a second. If I finish first in a race with no other participants did I even finish first? If I asked what are the best first movies, would you reply with Citizen Kane or with The Godfather? The Godfather is the first in a series. I guess you could say Citizen Kane is a debut but that's a different case.

rocker2014 t1_ixuttn5 wrote on November 26, 2022 at 3:23 PM

Besides the fact that you ignored the entirety of my post to focus on one small point I was trying to make, I'll still respond to your whole comment.

>Andor is by no means a miniseries. A miniseries is one season long. Anything else is just a series.

The point I was trying to make is that this is a short series with an expiration date already listed. We know it's not going to be a long running series so we know that what we've seen is already half of the entire show. And, we know that it's a prequel to a movie that shows us how everything shakes out. So we have half the series plus the ending. Making it similar to a miniseries that has to show us the beginnings and end. I know a miniseries is one season. I was just making a comparison that Andor is not dissimilar from what a miniseries has to portray therefore can be compared.

>Also, saying "first season" implies that there is a second or that at least there was supposed to be a second.

First off, the OP didn't say first season, I did. You mentioned that a miniseries shouldn't be comparable to a first season of a new show. I made points of how it can be but also stated that regardless of pulling out the two miniseries I listed, that still leaves 8 others that I mentioned.

>If I finish first in a race with no other participants did I even finish first?

I'm not even sure what your analogy means? I'm guessing you mean a miniseries is the participant and since there is only one season there are no other partipants? But we're not comparing a Season 1 to a Season 2 of the same show. So if "We Own This City" and "Dopesick" are the partipants in this conversation, then yes, one of them could win. Or better yet, if "Dopesick" and "Andor" were participants, "Dopesick" would win for me. Or even better yet, if "House of the Dragon", another first season of a new running series, and "Andor" were the participants, "House of the Dragon" wins for me.

>If I asked what are the best first movies, would you reply with Citizen Kane or with The Godfather? The Godfather is the first in a series. I guess you could say Citizen Kane is a debut but that's a different case.

Again, the OP didn't say that it was the best first season of a show in awhile. In which, I'd still disagree. But to your point, are you now saying that The Godfather and Citizen Cane cannot be compared? Or a more logical one, can The Godfather and Goodfellas not be compared because The Godfather is one part of a trilogy? Speaking of Trilogies, can one Star Wars movie not be compared with any other movie because it's part of a series? If you think so, I disagree. Because each of these movies tell a story. They also set up for a future story, but each of them tells its own complete story. So does Andor. So does Dopesick.

But regardless of all of this rambling over one small part of my whole point, take out the two miniseries I listed for sake of argument. I still listed 8 other shows that I believe were better or on the same level as Andor. My point doesn't need the miniseries that I listed. But I do think they are absolutely fair to compare because each tells a story.