Submitted by Kagedeah t3_zx8i0f in television
[deleted] t1_j1z3g7y wrote
Reply to comment by myeff in John Bird: Actor and comedian dies aged 86 by Kagedeah
Really good satire. Unfortunately his career was marred with a lot of Brown and Black facing
HellsMalice t1_j2089ft wrote
Whining that people did something completely acceptable at the time just because it's no longer acceptable is fucking stupid.
heres_ultramark t1_j209rcw wrote
It wasn’t really acceptable at the time, people just weren’t including the marginalized groups in the conversation. It always sucked, but we’ve only recently begun letting people of color in the door to tell everyone blackface fucking sucks.
_Los t1_j209seh wrote
The argument is that it also wasn't acceptable at the time. It wasn't right to do then, it's just that most of society shared the mistaken opinion that it was okay.
[deleted] t1_j22h5qt wrote
It was not acceptable then as well. I am not saying anything about his comedy, he, infact was a terrific comedian the little I have seen, but having your sitcom pulled in the 70s for playing Pakistani Immigrants is a whole different place no one should have gone. Not even in "those days"
btmvideos37 t1_j23crgb wrote
Disagree. It was accepted by the mostly white people producing these things and watching these things.
Do you really think bigoted behaviour that was once “acceptable” was accepted by all people? Including the minorities that were being discriminated against, mocked, and oppressed?
It was once acceptable to hit your wife. And marital rape wasn’t a thing. According to the law and society it was acceptable. But do you think the wives EVER liked or accepted this? Hell no
Black Face was either done to mock and belittle black people. Or when it was done somewhat “respectfully”, it was still being done to avoid hiring actual black people for those roles.
People were against black face back then. Just like there were people against slavery when it was legal.
It was wrong now and it was wrong then
implicitpharmakoi t1_j20d6zu wrote
Slavery was acceptable if it weren't for all those abolitionists whining about it.
Still, we shouldn't erase those sketches, we should just have context when we watch them (bring back Brutalitox!).
geek180 t1_j22ajgt wrote
I wouldn’t equate wearing blackface to owning slaves.
implicitpharmakoi t1_j23qea6 wrote
>I wouldn’t equate wearing blackface to owning slaves.
I made no such equivalence, I was pointing out how change happens.
Stamford16A1 t1_j2145dy wrote
And that ladies and gentleman is why there's no decent satire on TV any more.
Nobody else was taking on Idi Amin or Robert Mugabe... certainly nobody "of colour". I don't recall Lenny Henry satirising Mugabe when he massacred the Matabele for example.
[deleted] t1_j22gtgr wrote
There's satire and there's brownfacing yourself to be immigrants from Pakistan. John Bird was a terrific comedian, but having your sitcom, along with the great Spike Milligan being cancelled because of racial insensitivity in the 70s was not a good thing.
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